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The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen 11 hours ago. 27 Replies

Have you ever argued anyone out of their Christianity or their support of The Trumpster?Neither have I.The backfire effect occurs when, in the face of contradictory evidence, established beliefs do…Continue

Where does moral responsibility come from?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen yesterday. 23 Replies

...scientists have been on a rampage writing ill-considered public announcements about free-will which … in some case verge on social irresponsibility … The recent flood of books by neuroscientists…Continue

"There's something going on" (with Obama)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen 4 hours ago. 16 Replies

This article will explain what I'm talking about, in case you don't know.Donald Trump's favorite…Continue

The Cop/Black Conundrum... Some thoughts

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen on Monday. 22 Replies

Because there are so many instances of unjustified shootings of often unarmed black men or black men not posing a major risk, black communities have become hyper-sensitized to any shooting of a black…Continue

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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion '"There's something going on" (with Obama)'
"A MESSAGE TO ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS One reason why so many are talking about your candidate's I alone can fix it, is that it's emblematic of his attempt to create a cult of strong man personality. It appeals to our (your) worst faschistic…"
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Belle Rose replied to Unseen's discussion '"There's something going on" (with Obama)'
"Donald Trump is all smoke and mirrors. Always has been from the start. And I predict that he will ascend to the presidency because he knows how to do this so well that it fools a lot of people who are too stupid to see it.... I think between now and…"
6 hours ago
Unseen replied to TJ's discussion 'Neil de Grasse Tyson and "Scientism" article.....grrrrr'
"Religion is only referenced twice and only in the beginning of the article.  It is true that science just gives us data. What to do with the data has to do with our values. He's right that science can't tell us about right and wrong…"
9 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion '"There's something going on" (with Obama)'
"Here's the things I hope are being taught in high schools nowadays: Languages: forget German and French. Teach Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Russian. For students not going to college: coding, a/c repair, computer repair, plumbing,…"
11 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion '"There's something going on" (with Obama)'
"TJ, I'm unclear on what you mean. Which programmer has "real world experience'? The one who went on to university first before work, or the one who went straight to work?"
11 hours ago
TJ replied to Unseen's discussion '"There's something going on" (with Obama)'
"Ironically, one thing businesses learned was that a programmer who had no real world experience, had a hard time knowing what features or UI would be better or worse for a particular program. That lead to clunky hard to use programs."
11 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Switching from left to right and from absolutist to relativist seems nonsensical. Conservatives (the right wing) tend to be absolutists who decry relativism."
11 hours ago
Wassabi replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"people do chnage their mind. most of us though do turn out like our parents. i had a clear change of views a few years back from left to right. i think all our view points on certain topics tend to stem from some core belief - and for me it was the…"
18 hours ago
Gregg RThomas replied to Unseen's discussion 'Sam Harris on the Illusion of Free Will'
"Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...Let it die...etc. Maybe it's like religion; a useless thread that just won't go away. :)"
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Where does moral responsibility come from?'
"There is a tale in Plato's Republic of the Ring of Gyges. I'm not going to go into the whole myth so I'll just summarize it this way. There was a ring which, if you turned it in a certain way rendered you not just invisible, but…"
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TJ replied to Unseen's discussion 'Where does moral responsibility come from?'
"Kant or no Kant...I think people are, generally, as good as any other primate, and, due to being raised in a social environment, act socially with each other. The exceptions are discouraged/punished/shunned, killed or banished, etc, depending upon…"
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_Robert_ replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Why Why?"
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Strega replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Why?"
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Where does moral responsibility come from?'
"FYI Hopefully, this will be academic enough for you. I guess we'll have to disagree over how to interpret Kant, but I'm not alone: Maybe I'm guilty of simplification (this is a discussion group with a lot of people with no…"
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Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Yes. Dull and boring...regardless of how animated and passionate they are about their untruth. It's no coincidence almost all of my friends are for the most part, reasonably rational people. Christopher Hitchens was partly right in his comment:…"
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
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MA in Philosophy. I call myself an atheistic agnostic. In other words, I'm atheist until someone proves I'm wrong.
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Strangely, you don't include the most obvious answer: God doesn't appear to exist, even as a possibility.
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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 36 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…

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A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 1 Comment

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…

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At 7:41pm on May 29, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
Yeah dude. I was pleasantly surprised. That movie's not very good, as is the story with most modern Adam Sandler movies, but that was pretty cool. I wish it would have actually been Matt Frewer dressed up though.
At 1:48am on May 29, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
https://youtu.be/plrZB1AceXU this is a link to my personal channel so you know it isn't spam. It's Max Headroom's latest appearance.
At 9:58pm on April 17, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
Max Headroom's interview on David Letterman is hilarious, and available on YouTube.

I suggest buying the DVD if you haven't. Unfortunately Frewer isn't involved in any of the documentary features in the set, but there is plenty of that material available online. The DVD set contains the show from the 1987-88 American run, omitted is the Talking Headroom show and the 20 Minutes Into The Future (which is also available in its entirety on YouTube).
At 10:56pm on April 16, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
So we don't always get along. However, I had no idea who Max Headroom was but your photo reminded me of a person I used to be acquainted with, and I searched it on Google and discovered him. I have now purchased the DVD set and watched everything available on YouTube, and while it was not your intention, you have created a fan of that show simply by choosing an avatar. Whatever it's worth, I appreciate it. Hopefully your ribs are healing well.
At 3:22am on April 3, 2016, JadeBlackOlive said…

Glad to hear that!

At 1:53am on April 3, 2016, JadeBlackOlive said…

How are you feeling, Unseen?

At 4:38am on December 26, 2015, Royce Earnest Rasmussen said…

Thank you!

At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

 
 
 

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