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What does "earn" mean to you?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ian Fraiser 7 hours ago. 52 Replies

"Liberals just want to take money that isn't theirs and give it to people who didn't earn it" is the sort of thing I've heard from conservatives many times.This often comes up when talking about…Continue

Tags: socialism, redistribution, earnings, wealth

Does Each person possess an inviolability founded on justice...

Started this discussion. Last reply by Simon Paynton Nov 23. 14 Replies

...that even the welfare of society as a whole cannot override? (John Rawls' most famous quote.)If not why not? If so, what would it mean in particular cases?Continue

Tags: individual, justice, Rawls

Anarchism: threat or menace? (Scott Graves, this means you)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ian on Wednesday. 91 Replies

Okay, forgive me the attention-getting headline. Scott Graves has proclaimed himself an anarchist. I went through this phase for about a year when I was in my late teens. Since then, I think I've…Continue

Tags: anarchy, anarchism, anarchist

Paris attack will boost Trump

Started this discussion. Last reply by TJ Nov 17. 8 Replies

The GOP is hard line anyway and a lot of people will look at Donald Trump with his anti-immigration stance and his position that the nation needs firm borders or even a wall, then look at Paris, and…Continue

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Ian Fraiser replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"Guys- I admit I have nothing to add, but this is a great discussion. Thank you and have a great day."
7 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"Theists judge the truth of a proposition based on their speculations over the consequences of believing it. It seems you might be arguing in the same fashion much of the time. You disagree with what you think I'm saying or implying because you…"
11 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
" Trump explaining how he started out: "I got a small loan of a million dollars from my father." "
11 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"You keep wandering away from the topic to a bunch of "what ifs" which would better discussed in a thread devoted to the implications of redistributing income. I'm inviting you to start that thread."
11 hours ago
Dr. Bob replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"Good heavens no!   Or at very least, not on capital gains. One of the major distortions in the current economy is that low interest rates are not generating investment and job growth.  That's because banks and other corporations…"
11 hours ago
Dr. Bob replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"I once read that the models used for predatory/prey relationships in the ocean work very well to describe free market economic systems, and indeed most human economic systems.  Lots of little fish.  Few big fish. In American public…"
12 hours ago
TJ replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"If we can invent a new system, one that encourages inovation and economic growth, but, also prevents stratification of wealth...we can fix this historical problem that has existed throughout recorded history. If all of mankind lived under one…"
13 hours ago
TJ replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"What you want, what everyone wants probably, on average at least, is a way for exceptional people to stop taking advantage of the less exceptional people. The "Handicapper General" was one version of that Vonnegut came up with for…"
14 hours ago
matt.clerke replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"I agree, except the power imbalance in real life is far more pronounced. Here's the flip side of this: What did this one member do to gain all of this power? If he just took it, it's theft and thus not relevant... so he must of provided…"
14 hours ago
matt.clerke replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"I think luck applies evenly over the population, so we can safely say that everyone has the same chances for lucky breaks and such, thus making it irrelevant. As for help, I'm not sure what help you mean? I'm sure we can agree we should…"
14 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"I'm asking what we mean when we say someone earned something. This is important, because if someone earned something, that implies a moral claim to it. For example, the 1%ers. Do they have a moral claim to their wealth and power? Where's…"
14 hours ago
matt.clerke replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"You seem to be implying that wealth isn't earned. If wealth isn't earned then we don't deserve it and should give it to charity. If we did that, we would all be living like cave men. Where's the straw man? I'm just…"
14 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"It's a little early in the discussion to be dragging out the strawmen."
15 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"That's how conservatives describe the acquisition of capital, but note how it leaves out luck and help from others. You'd think nobody else helped along the way and that probably time and time again things that could have gone wrong…"
15 hours ago
matt.clerke replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"Perhaps we should all quit out jobs and live like cave men? The wealth I earn from my job buys me a secure place to live and enough food and utilities for my family to live. In what sense have I not earned this? In what way do I not deserve these…"
15 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What does "earn" mean to you?'
"Imagine a group of 100 people, each with the same amount of power. Let's say each has 100 units of power. Through a combination of shrewdness and psychopathic ruthlessness, one member gains 2 or 3 units of power from each member every year…"
15 hours ago

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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 36 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…


A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 1 Comment

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…


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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D

At 10:33pm on March 2, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

Nice to be here, your thread got closed.

That's one of my pet peeves about Internet forums, the arbitrary overreaching invisible controlling hand.  But maybe it's just me...I gots me plentys of pets that peeves me. :D 


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