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So you know

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen 2 hours ago. 14 Replies

I'm going in for cataract surgery tomorrow and I'm preparing for it today. I have no idea when I'll be posting regularly again. I'll just have to see how it goes. Maybe it'll be Wednesday, maybe a…Continue

An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen 14 hours ago. 131 Replies

When it comes to value theory (ethics and aesthetics) one has a binary choice. Either such value judgments as "This is good/bad" or "That is beautiful/not beautiful" are true or they are not. But…Continue

Tags: morals, ethics, relativism, absolutism

Why is America so special?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen 2 hours ago. 45 Replies

As dismal as the picture promoted by the GOP seems, actually the United States' recovery is head and shoulders above other countries and economies in the world, though don't expect President Obama's…Continue

Tags: Zakaria, Peter, Zeihan, Fareed, GOP

New theory of cosmic origin implies no Big Bang

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And this one is actually published in a peer reviewed journal.Read about it in plain English, though,…Continue

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Unseen replied to Melvinotis's discussion 'What would happen if humans grew up without a context.'
"Would they be shown images of REAL parents. You know, the kind who actually HAVE feelings and aren't just providing a simulation. "
2 hours ago
Unseen replied to Melvinotis's discussion 'What would happen if humans grew up without a context.'
"They may learn facial expressions that way, but in most everyday situations they won't have their hands on other people's faces, so they'll need to rely upon voice inflection and context to interpret what they hear."
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Why is America so special?'
"My first thought was that AT doesn't delete comments generally speaking. I imagine that if you totally libeled a member, you might get your comment deleted and you might be banned, but otherwise pretty much anything goes here and always has as…"
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Unseen replied to Melvinotis's discussion 'What would happen if humans grew up without a context.'
"You guys... Lots of philosophical questions being raised here about simulated (faked) emotions versus real ones. One day those kids are going to realize that they learned love and other human emotions from a machine that really can't FEEL any…"
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"Well, I did spin my Tibetan prayer wheel a few times."
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Reg The Fronkey Farmer replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"Glad to hear that all went well for you Unseen and good to have you back so soon. That’s the power of prayer modern Science for you!"
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"All went pretty well. I thought I might be put under or my eye knocked out the way archaeopteryx told me his ophthalmic surgeon did it. Instead, my eyeball was desensitized with anaesthetic eyedrops, and when surgery time came I was given a strong…"
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Unseen replied to Melvinotis's discussion 'What would happen if humans grew up without a context.'
"The children will be loved? In other words, the robots will actually have an irrational concern for the welfare of the children? Will this love be actual love or a simulation of love depending upon the ability of the children to be deceived?"
14 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"Now - I've just contradicted myself.  The choice has still been made on the basis of benefit / harm, and choosing the most beneficial outcome possible.  So maybe the moral system of benefit / harm can answer any question, if you are…"
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Gallup's Mirror replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"I did not "redefined ethics" as "earth/air/fire/water or whatever it is". You are a liar. We're done here. "
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"We are born "with a capacity for empathy" just as we are born with a capacity for maturity, but we are not born empathetic. Children are notoriously self-centered and selfish. A room full of toddlers and toys will be a room full of petty…"
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Erock68la replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"Good to see you're back. I hope all went well."
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"People are not "born with empathy." They are very self-centered, cry and fuss when another child uses a toy they want, don't understand that others have desires and needs, etc."
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"I've repeatedly referenced the Wikipedia entry which defines ethics as concerned with "the best ways for humans to live". I'm ignoring it because that's not "ethics" as most people studying ethics understand the…"
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Richard Ahearn replied to Unseen's discussion 'Why is America so special?'
"For some reason, my emaill said that my previous "White Eyes" was deleted.  It seems that it was not.  My apologies, Mr. Moderator. Trouble is, I have a cartoonists' sense of humor and these strange Oirish voices in me head."
Richard Ahearn replied to Unseen's discussion 'Why is America so special?'
"I noticed that my remark about the Native Americans got censored.  So glad that you atheistic Americans have some devout Faith in a Promised Land and its chosen Chosen People Atheists who are unable to mock themselves have Faith hidden within…"

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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 37 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…


A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D


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