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Great retorts

Started this discussion. Last reply by Wesley yesterday. 13 Replies

I was just thinking of an old movie with the deceased British actor Terry-Thomas (and yes, the hyphen is apparently part of his stage name). In the movie, there is an exchange that goes something…Continue

Tags: Terry-Thomas, Parker, Dorothy

Knowledge, Belief, Certainty, and Mistakes

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ed on Wednesday. 16 Replies

What is knowledge? What is a belief? What does it mean t be certain or to make a mistake?These are more complicated matters than most people imagine, and it's the last topic Ludwig Wittgenstein,…Continue

Tags: mistake, certainty, belief, epistemology, knowledge

Torture Report release today

Started this discussion. Last reply by Pope Beanie 9 hours ago. 134 Replies

Let me start by saying that the commonly expressed view that torture never produces useful results is a big overstatement in my view. To say that it's unreliable—e.g., sometimes or even often doesn't…Continue

Tags: interrogation, enhanced, CIA, torture

Stephen Hawking predicts technological doom!

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen Dec 9. 20 Replies

A sinister threat is brewing deep inside the technology laboratories of Silicon Valley.Artificial Intelligence, disguised as helpful digital assistants and self-driving vehicles, is gaining a…Continue

Tags: technology, science, doom, Hawking, intelligence

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Unseen replied to Belle Rose's discussion 'The Elephant in the Room...'
"Most of the women who've become scarce (the ones I recall anyway) were pretty tough interlocutors. I hear that one has become scarce because her partner became jealous of the time she was spending here. Don't know about the others."
1 hour ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"I meant to add... I wonder if the connection of 9/11 to 911 was possibly intentional in an ironic sense that--in the planning, cooperation and funding necessary to take control of those planes, terrorism played the only cards it had that could…"
9 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Thank you for that! It really hit the spot with me. While reading it I was reminded of my Silicon Valley days, which I'll explain. I understood the whole article, in its context, but would like to add even more context. I got to experience the…"
9 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"While rendition of interogees was done in order to use EID's somewhat legally (disputable), I doubt if American CIA officials would allow some tortures to be done in their purview. Stuff like welding torches to genitals, lopping toes off, etc.…"
10 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"We could, but then the ticking time bomb day comes and the President has to ask himself, "Is maintaining our standards more important than saving 2 million Americans," and you and I both know what his answer will be. His job is to protect…"
10 hours ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Pope, here a link to a 15 year old article about whyArab armies lose wars that will give insight to the problems they still face today.  It hasn't changed. The part on Officers and Soldiers applies to them all."
17 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Shit, NOW you tell me?"
19 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"It's interesting how state armies over there behave more secularly than most of the populations they serve. I haven't heard today's news yet about if/how Pakistan leadership and/or military will react to the student killings, but…"
19 hours ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"That would be just a cloud of my famous paint peeling butt wind ahead. Nothing to worry about.  Just don't beathe when you drive through it."
20 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Oops, I inferred too much. Projected my own thoughts onto ya. Ah, but The Pope sees a bubbling Virgil-stream crossing ahead... wish me luck!"
20 hours ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"If I had ever heard of intel while I was in Afghanistan that had been anything but reliable I'd be ranting about every detail I know about it. There was some of it that had to be the product of EIT because it was so out of the ordinary. And it…"
21 hours ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
""Meanings get lost in messages like this. Does your "them" include anyone walking down the street, especially if they look Muslim?" The short answer is No. The longer answer is longer than I want to deal with now. Here's a…"
21 hours ago
Erock68la replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"I find it interesting that we compare ourselves to the countries on that list, and in what contexts - the death penalty, now torture. I realize you are saying we're not as bad as them, but could we aim a little higher than at least we're…"
22 hours ago
Arcus replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"I don't think it's possible to make laws or guidelines that will handle every (or a majority) eventuality torture could be used, and it must be considered on a case to case basis. Thus the need for torture to be illegal but have very wide…"
22 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"No. Of course the US hasn't been as nasty as those in third world countries. Though agents have observed and supervised interrogation sessions done in developing countries involving terrorists that the US has an interest in (and you can be sure…"
23 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"As Unseen keeps pointing out, his intention in this thread was to ask if torture could ever possibly be acceptable. My intention was to discuss the notion that torture doesn't work or isn't effective, not whether it's acceptable. If…"
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A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…

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More proof (if you needed any) that things go in cycles

Posted on August 21, 2013 at 9:30am 0 Comments

Samsung has released its new Galaxy Mega, which has a...(wait for it)....(wait for it)...(wait for it)...6.3-inch screen! Tablets tend to start off just .7 inches. 

I have to laugh because after a couple decades of making cell phones as small as possible...…

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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D

 
 
 

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The Elephant in the Room...

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Ear-piercing a baby

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My Grandpa died last week

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Torture Report release today

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