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Great retorts

Started this discussion. Last reply by Wesley 11 hours ago. 13 Replies

I was just thinking of an old movie with the deceased British actor Terry-Thomas (and yes, the hyphen is apparently part of his stage name). In the movie, there is an exchange that goes something…Continue

Tags: Terry-Thomas, Parker, Dorothy

Knowledge, Belief, Certainty, and Mistakes

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ed yesterday. 16 Replies

What is knowledge? What is a belief? What does it mean t be certain or to make a mistake?These are more complicated matters than most people imagine, and it's the last topic Ludwig Wittgenstein,…Continue

Tags: mistake, certainty, belief, epistemology, knowledge

Torture Report release today

Started this discussion. Last reply by Virgil 1 hour ago. 114 Replies

Let me start by saying that the commonly expressed view that torture never produces useful results is a big overstatement in my view. To say that it's unreliable—e.g., sometimes or even often doesn't…Continue

Tags: interrogation, enhanced, CIA, torture

Stephen Hawking predicts technological doom!

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen Dec 9. 20 Replies

A sinister threat is brewing deep inside the technology laboratories of Silicon Valley.Artificial Intelligence, disguised as helpful digital assistants and self-driving vehicles, is gaining a…Continue

Tags: technology, science, doom, Hawking, intelligence

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Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Yeah, I snapped and became a bit snarky didn't I? Sorry about that.   I believe when I wrote that I'd just come from another forum where the majority of the members are trolls or ideological slaves. But honestly this is the way I see…"
1 hour ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"I applaud the sentiment and made the point myself earlier in this thread that general policy should not be to condone torture but that still leaves the exceptional scenarios such as the one that Unseen described. Let's be clear - are you saying…"
4 hours ago
Gregg R Thomas replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"I am not trying to be humorous, nor pointing a finger, nor trying to impress. I am shocked however that anyone can wish to live in a free and open society at peace, and at the same time condone the physical and/or psychological torture of others…"
5 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Is there a concrete point you are trying to make with this? I'm not sure how this has helped us move forward on this issue."
6 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"No Greg is right to speak like this. It is an ethic of rights. While no one actually expects human rights to actually pan out in an ideal way...there is nothing wrong with pointing to the indiscriminating violation of those rights as an absolute…"
9 hours ago
Unseen replied to Physeter's discussion 'My Grandpa died last week'
"My father died two Februaries ago, and one of the hardest things was dealing with other people's attitudes toward death: "He's in a better place," "His suffering is over" (makes it sound like he's feeling just fine…"
9 hours ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"It's funny Gregg. I know who you were pointing a finger at by trying to impress us with sagaciousness but the words apply better to ISIL, Al Qaida etc than to us."
11 hours ago
Wesley replied to Unseen's discussion 'Great retorts'
11 hours ago
Unseen replied to Simon Mathews's discussion 'Is free will compatible with determinism?'
"The feeling that one is in control of one's future is partly an illusion, sometimes, but true much of the time. Determinism doesn't negate your decision-making. Rather it explains it. What you do is dependent on who and what you are. It…"
15 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Please, don't go into the aphorism business. I think most societies in history have a dismal history when it comes to war prisoners. Anyway, terrorists or terrorist helpers or suspected terrorist helpers are not your typical prisoners of war,…"
15 hours ago
Gregg R Thomas replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Once a society steps over the line and starts to harm it's captives, they can no longer be trusted. "
16 hours ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Pope you cracked me up with that. I had a come back until I saw the pic. seeing the pic now I'd sound like a 3rd grader if I said it."
18 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"Ah, but suppose the majority of the court are wolves?!!!"
20 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Torture Report release today'
"I am offended! I don't need any hats. "
20 hours ago
Unseen replied to Simon Mathews's discussion 'Is free will compatible with determinism?'
"How would you prove that "free will is more complicated than the behavior of metals"? It seems to me that it's only more complicated if your motivation is to prove that we have free will, which is not something that needs to be…"
21 hours ago
Unseen replied to Simon Mathews's discussion 'Is free will compatible with determinism?'
"Typically proofs of free will are motivated by a desire to salvage the notion, which makes the effort suspicious from the start. It's a bad way to study something. If you want to know if metal expands when heated, you don't start out by…"
21 hours ago

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A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…

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More proof (if you needed any) that things go in cycles

Posted on August 21, 2013 at 9:30am 0 Comments

Samsung has released its new Galaxy Mega, which has a...(wait for it)....(wait for it)...(wait for it)...6.3-inch screen! Tablets tend to start off just .7 inches. 

I have to laugh because after a couple decades of making cell phones as small as possible...…

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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D

 
 
 

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Torture Report release today

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Why do we tolerate this?

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My Grandpa died last week

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