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Illogic and the death penalty

Started this discussion. Last reply by Davis Goodman 10 minutes ago. 87 Replies

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's verdict came down today. He will get death barring successful appeal.I don't want to discuss the verdict but rather the logic of some death penalty opponents.What they say goes…Continue

Tags: prison, in, life, punishment, capital

What are the odds of EU survival?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen on Monday. 25 Replies

I'm an American, so the question doesn't directly affect me, but if the EU falls apart it will undoubtedly have at least a temporary impact on the world economy, which could indirectly affect me in…Continue

Tags: austerity, economy, economics, EU

For those of you who have never heard of the Monty Hall Problem

Started this discussion. Last reply by Pope Beanie on Saturday. 32 Replies

For those of you who are familiar with the problem and/or saw the movie 21, pop up some popcorn and just watch until the answer is revealed.Here goes...This is an apparently simple problem of…Continue

Tags: logic, statistics, game

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Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"I like Erock's analysis here. It is true...no matter how to slice and dice it you end up with a different outcomes depending on how you value it. (in the U.S.) the death penalty = 15 years appealing in vain, loss of autonomy, knowledge you will…"
10 minutes ago
Erock68la replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"The matter of opinion is whether you view it as adding together two sentences or subtracting one sentence from the other. Adding 30 years of life is subtracting 30 years from the death sentence, IMO. Death = eternity. 30 years then death = eternity…"
52 minutes ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"If I understand your point, Davis, you are saying that it is most likely that if you spend a long time in prison you will die earlier than if you don't. I agree that seems most likely. However, as long as you don't die the instant you…"
1 hour ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"Whether or not someone prefers imprisonment or death is very much a matter of individual opinion.  Yes...and the default answer is no until someone proves otherwise. Sort of like how...we assume people don't like being bludgeoned with…"
2 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"I don't completely agree with GM...but Simon the arguement that life in prison equals punishment + natural death is a pretty bad one too. Life in prison equals punishment + early death. Those who serve long sentences have lower life…"
2 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"Yes you are a stunning master at discrediting any source that argues against something you disagree with. I would quote names and titles and page numbers...if you asked...but instead you just blah blah blah your way out of not engaging and you just…"
2 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
""Find the passage where I asserted that someone's personal prefence is a fact. Quote it. Post it here. Put me in my place." Here it is, GM: "Belief has nothing to do with it. It is factually true that spending 50…"
3 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
""A court of law which hands down a sentence consisting of a fine and prison time is issuing more punishment than if it hands down a fine alone. Likewise for incarceration and death versus death alone or incarceration alone." Ha ha…"
4 hours ago
Gallup's Mirror replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"'Better or worse' in the context I used it means 'more or less (punishment)', or 'more or less (prison time)', 'more or less (severity)'. I described units of measurement on a punative scale. Which is better…"
7 hours ago
Unseen replied to ThyPlagueDoctor's discussion 'Draw Muhhamed day was yesterday Bring out your drawings'
"Why do you ask?"
7 hours ago
Erock68la replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"Immediate death is quantitatively worse than a long prison sentence then death. While life in prison is certainly not a full life, at least it's some life. Death is no life. Some is better than none."
9 hours ago
Unseen replied to Dante's discussion 'Bible Belt Promiscuity'
"Unfortunately, the English language leaves us with neutral terms like "it" when "he" or "she" are taken off the menu. I'll use "he" because the original Dante was a male."
10 hours ago
Gallup's Mirror replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"It's no great loss, considering your inability to think and reason clearly."
10 hours ago
Gallup's Mirror replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"...unlike execution, which deprives him of spending 22 more years in a cage before making the same trip to oblivion."
11 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"Both of you guys need to just back the hell off. If you want to wear the TA rocker on the back of your cute little leather jackets, you have to first go through suitable channels and apply for the proper permits and badges. This ain't like no…"
13 hours ago
Unseen replied to ThyPlagueDoctor's discussion 'Draw Muhhamed day was yesterday Bring out your drawings'
13 hours ago

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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 36 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…


A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…


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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D



Gideons International

Started by Ed in Small Talk. Last reply by Dr. Bob 7 hours ago. 1 Reply

Draw Muhhamed day was yesterday Bring out your drawings

Started by ThyPlagueDoctor in Small Talk. Last reply by ThyPlagueDoctor 7 hours ago. 4 Replies

Bible Belt Promiscuity

Started by Dante in Advice. Last reply by Unseen 10 hours ago. 9 Replies

am i the only athiest that believes in spirits

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Are we in the (non-biblical) end times?

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