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What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!

Started this discussion. Last reply by Belle Rose 58 minutes ago. 26 Replies

And now it's happening.I changed the name of this thread to reflect a chant I found out this morning was used in a recent NYC protest march.On Dec 20,…Continue

Tags: cop, killing, protests, Brown, Garner

Great retorts

Started this discussion. Last reply by Wesley on Thursday. 13 Replies

I was just thinking of an old movie with the deceased British actor Terry-Thomas (and yes, the hyphen is apparently part of his stage name). In the movie, there is an exchange that goes something…Continue

Tags: Terry-Thomas, Parker, Dorothy

Knowledge, Belief, Certainty, and Mistakes

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ed on Wednesday. 16 Replies

What is knowledge? What is a belief? What does it mean t be certain or to make a mistake?These are more complicated matters than most people imagine, and it's the last topic Ludwig Wittgenstein,…Continue

Tags: mistake, certainty, belief, epistemology, knowledge

Torture Report release today

Started this discussion. Last reply by Pope Beanie on Friday. 134 Replies

Let me start by saying that the commonly expressed view that torture never produces useful results is a big overstatement in my view. To say that it's unreliable—e.g., sometimes or even often doesn't…Continue

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Belle Rose replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"@Virgil and Ed. Why do I get the feeling that neither one of you can support your statements and are just shooting out of your asses? (No pun intended) it is the classic, "I'll show you mine if you show me yours." How about you both…"
58 minutes ago
Virgil replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
" Do you have supporting data for that claim?  Yes I do. After you come up with data to put some meat on that statement you made remind me it's my turn."
1 hour ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"Calling for the deaths of the police is particularly vile and disgusting. I would have no problem with any of them being booked for hate speech."
1 hour ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"Yes. Much higher than 10:1 unfortunately"
1 hour ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"By random in these examples I mean...the first suitable person I locate who is x will be murdered (as opposed to I will murder so-and-so or if this person gets in my way I will kill them) or second-degree murder/manslaughter. I included this in the…"
1 hour ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"If the murder rate is on the whole lower in Canada, then 2 murders in Canada should be much greater than 10:1 in the US and even higher in Mexico on a per capita basis. Right?"
1 hour ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"I'm not sure how you define "random." If you are out to kill someone, once you choose someone, does simply not knowing them personally constitute "random" as you are using it?"
1 hour ago
kris feenstra replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"I understand that much. I just don't get where it fits into this conversation. I don't think anyone was saying other groups are not targeted for violence. I wasn't."
1 hour ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"The point is, it is not only police and soldiers who need to worry about random killings (which are not the result of other crimes or personally targeted). The same applies to prostitutes, aboriginal women, abortion doctors and homosexual men. For…"
2 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"Fortunately you cannot inflate murder related statistics from Canada to the US or Mexico. The murder rate per capita is much lower across the board (sometimes at a radically lower rate than in the US or Mexico)."
2 hours ago
kris feenstra replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"Huh?"
2 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"It should also be noted that in Canada there have been a multitude of random murdered victims for their profession or race/class/gender in the last three decades and it is not limited to the police. A soldier was taken out in Ottawa a month ago.…"
2 hours ago
Unseen commented on Belle Rose's blog post 'How did that happen?'
"I'm one of those guys who followed his  nose and got into a pleasurable career path rather than a more remunerative one (I was once told by an attorney that I should go into law) and now I'm rather poor in retirement with lots of good…"
2 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"Personally, I think the responsible protesters should choose not "on the street" ways of protesting such as threatening not to vote for the politicos involved or mass petitions so that the anarchists and other nasties don't have the…"
2 hours ago
Ed replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"While the protesters are understandably frustrated by what they see as an inadequate response to the deaths of their fellow citizens, they lose a large amount of credibility resorting to calls for violence. By the limited size of the crowd on the…"
3 hours ago
Ed replied to Unseen's discussion 'What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!'
"I am in agreement that blaming law enforcement in general is not productive. There are legitimate concerns on both sides of the issue. Perhaps some town hall style meetings, where both groups are represented, could open a dialogue between the…"
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A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…

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More proof (if you needed any) that things go in cycles

Posted on August 21, 2013 at 9:30am 0 Comments

Samsung has released its new Galaxy Mega, which has a...(wait for it)....(wait for it)...(wait for it)...6.3-inch screen! Tablets tend to start off just .7 inches. 

I have to laugh because after a couple decades of making cell phones as small as possible...…

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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D

 
 
 

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