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Theodore Roosevelt, Like Many of America's Founders, Not A Theist?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Simon Mathews Sep 17. 3 Replies

My evidence is in the early minutes of Part Two of Ken Burns' documentary.On TR's first day in the Executive Mansion, September 23 1901, he denied Xianity's promise of immortality when he gave…Continue

Tags: founders, presidents, America, theism, deism

What's some of the evidence that supports the thesis that the "Intelligent Designer" was beyond stupid.

Started this discussion. Last reply by Diane Aug 31. 45 Replies

Let me name the ways. (I will limit myself to three.)With any intelligence would he/she/it have designed:1) Tooth decay?2) An amygdala that when squeezed by cancer results in a young man's becoming a…Continue

Tags: design, evolution

Quitting An Authoritarian Religion Was Part Easy and Part Not Easy

Started this discussion. Last reply by Simon Paynton Jun 1. 2 Replies

First, what I found necessary.The ability to say "I like" and feel okay.The ability to say "I don't like" and feel okay.The ability to set limits and feel okay.I now find these abilities helpful…Continue

Tags: assertiveness, passive-aggressive, catholicism

Many Americans Want the Under (Submissive) Place in Over/Under" (Dominant/Submissive) Relationships.

Started this discussion. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 26. 2 Replies

In WW1 and WW2, the words Gott Mit Uns (God [is] With Us) were on German soldiers' belt buckles.In a recent (2008) book, Masters and Commanders; How Four Titans Won the War in the West, 1941-1945,…Continue

Tags: church and state, pledge of allegiance, under god

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Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"1) Alan Guth invented inflation to fill a gap in the BB model. You know what to do with a gratuitously asserted theoretical necessity. For reasons of your own you do not gratuitously deny them. 2) Lots of people throughout history have found…"
18 hours ago
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"Thank you, Noel; language accidents are inevitable. I've had a few such accidents, people have pointed them out to me, and I became more skilled in the use of language. I loved 12th grade physics. The teacher, an elderly Catholic nun,…"
23 hours ago
Tom Sarbeck replied to Unseen's discussion 'What are some of your guilty pleasures'
"Guilty pleasures? U and those who reply, please explain why you feel guilty. When I was pulling noxious weeds "by their roots", I made sure to leave no root fragments unpulled. Ditto with religion. But guilt isn't an enemy, it's…"
yesterday
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"That quiet place on Sundays was ideal for "entertaining impure thoughts." IKYN, when nuns asked  boys if they entertained impure thoughts, we dreamed of answering, "No, Sister; they entertained me." "
yesterday
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"Noel, you quote Nancy Hathaway as saying, "...and the laws of physics do not apply." You conclude with, "...All centered on physics." I'm seeing a contradiction. Are you seeing one? "
yesterday
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"CK, you make a good point, and those of us who experienced a religion's indoctrination have to deal with it. After I quit Catholicism, I did for a time occasionally feel the fear of being alone in an universe that's indifferent to my…"
Sunday
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"What's gained in being an atheist? I gained freedom. Which says that in those RC schools my dad sent me to, I lost freedom. On second thought, I regained freedom. "
Saturday
Tom Sarbeck replied to Physeter's discussion 'Testing the waters—and the waters aren’t good.'
"If essayists want readers to believe the U.S. government was responsible for 9/11, they need to link the attacks to America's Middle Eastern foreign policy since WW2. Link the two and it becomes obvious that the 9/11 attacks are payback. That…"
Friday
Tom Sarbeck commented on dataguy's blog post 'What do you do with the anger?'
"In the above Sam Harris quote I see word play and gratuitous advice. It's kind of like a dull Sunday sermon. What experience(s) led him to conclude what he wrote? "
Sep 23
Tom Sarbeck commented on dataguy's blog post 'What do you do with the anger?'
"dataguy, two events helped me understand anger as more than simply bodily reactions (blood pressure changes, etc.) The first event was seeing anger defined as a response to an unmet expectation. For example, when I loan money I expect it to be…"
Sep 21
Tom Sarbeck commented on ɐuɐz ǝllǝıuɐp's blog post 'Solid light could compute previously unsolvable problems'
"On faking homework... In fourth grade I skipped every other day. On the days I was away I didn't hear the homework assignments; on the days I was there I hadn't heard the assignments and didn't have to turn in any homework. It worked…"
Sep 20
Simon Mathews replied to Tom Sarbeck's discussion 'Theodore Roosevelt, Like Many of America's Founders, Not A Theist?'
"I find that interesting. Sometimes it's easy to forget in today's more secular society that talk of heaven in real terms was commonplace and not thought twice about. That puts a different slant on it for me."
Sep 17
Tom Sarbeck replied to Tom Sarbeck's discussion 'Theodore Roosevelt, Like Many of America's Founders, Not A Theist?'
"Inadequate evidence, yes. I'm sure you will agree that "shaky" is ambiguous. In the Catholic schools I attended, "heaven" was as real as anyplace on earth. Its denizens are alive and know what their offspring are doing. A TR…"
Sep 17
Simon Mathews replied to Tom Sarbeck's discussion 'Theodore Roosevelt, Like Many of America's Founders, Not A Theist?'
"Forgive me, but I think this is quite shaky evidence. He might have been saying it meaning that he wanted to experience his father's reaction to it. Notice that he says "if only he could have lived to see" not "if only he…"
Sep 17
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Theodore Roosevelt, Like Many of America's Founders, Not A Theist?

My evidence is in the early minutes of Part Two of Ken Burns' documentary.On TR's first day in the Executive Mansion, September 23 1901, he denied Xianity's promise of immortality when he gave tribute to his father:What would I not give, if only he could have lived to see me here in the White House.A theist TR would have known that his father was in heaven and was seeing him.Right now that is my only evidence. Is there more?See More
Sep 16
Tom Sarbeck commented on ɐuɐz ǝllǝıuɐp's blog post 'Solid light could compute previously unsolvable problems'
"Dammit! During all those hours in Catholic schools when nuns were talking about a heaven, I was sitting there thinking of being able to watch what "those people down there" were doing. Dammit again! "
Sep 12

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Your Religious Status
Atheist
About Me:
Korean War veteran, was an electrician aboard a US Navy destroyer. BA in math and economics from the University of Florida. Married for 6 years to a freethinker, and for reasons too complicated to tell here we chose to remain childless. Retired from computer manufacturing. Running for election to Arizona Legislature was another education; I learned a lot but happily the incumbent won. Now living in SF Bay Area's Napa County and loving it.
Age
77-82
Relationship Status
Single
Why are you here?
For 16 years I've been one of a very few out atheists at a home for retired veterans. Most here are xians, some of them extremely conservative. Most here are Dems and they give me no flak. They all accept my refusing to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth; I told them I will discuss the issue when they pledge allegiance to the Constitution. I enjoy the mental exercise I get in conversations on atheist websites.
The religion you left
Catholic
Why you left your religion.
When my parents told me I was going to college because I was too lazy to get a job, I threw them and their god out of my life. Several years later I made a peace of sorts with my parents. In April of 2012, in a Toastmasters Club here, I told of my leaving Catholicism for agnosticism and 50 years later leaving agnosticism for atheism. There are many out xians here. Very few try to recruit me; I tell them that but for 12 years in Catholic schools I might still believe one or more gods exist. To the very few who try to recruit me, I say religion is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on humankind. They stop trying.
Think Atheist Travel Network Couch Availability - Are you able to host anyone now?
No
How did you hear about Think Atheist?
When TA was a contestant in the About Contest.

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At 8:51am on August 4, 2014, Ed said…

Ah yes, we've come a long way since the Prohibitionists marched down the streets garbed in black and carrying placards bemoaning the evils of spirits

At 10:15am on August 3, 2014, Ari said…

Hey there, thanks for being my friend! :) I start school on the 27th and I really don't know what to do. I'm just going for computer science because I know it'll be useful but don't know if I'd enjoy it. I hope I do so I don't have to change my major, but it's a big risk. It's pretty stressful and scary thinking about it because of the expenses. :/

At 11:34pm on August 1, 2014, Ed said…

Tom,

Napa County huh? Wine country if I'm correct. I have a small vineyard here in Arkansas. En vino veritas.

At 2:35pm on June 17, 2014, Abdulrahman Aliyu said…
That's right friend, if we can really rely on the unseenism we will be free from internet's brain damage.
At 9:22pm on May 12, 2014, Ari said…

I'm sorry that you and your brothers had to go through that.

At first I was thinking along the lines of a huge steal. Sorry, that I misunderstood. :(

At 1:27am on May 12, 2014, Ari said…

Wait a second. I compared the message you've sent here to the initial one I received by mail about my discussion and I find it funny but scary at the same time. You stole things in the past? I appreciate your advice but what was left on the e-mail is very questionable. I would find it very scary to come back to see my home a mess and I'd feel very violated. I really don't know what to think about to this. I guess what is done is done, but I wouldn't see stealing as necessary unless your life of yourself or someone you love is at high risk. :s

At 8:28pm on July 16, 2013, archaeopteryx said…

RE: "arch, your posts have shown me that you are a worthy debater" - only because I'm out of vodka.

As for Google, you seem to be more popular than I - try, http://in-his-own-image.com/2010/01/24/-in-his-own-image-.aspx

At 2:25am on June 23, 2013, Karl Hanks said…

Hi Tom!  Just joined so I only have said hello!  Hello!

At 2:32pm on June 9, 2013, Simon Paynton said…

Thanks Tom.  I'm glad to hear it.  Yes I am. 

At 11:05am on December 16, 2012, Denise M. Purtell said…

Dude, all I was saying is that religion, or the lack there of, rather - has nothing to do with some nutcase and killing children. Holy rollers have been seemingly blaming the fact of "no religion in school" is the cause. It is an observation I've made. So all I was doing was trying to make a point that it is nothing to do with that and it has everything to do with the individual idiot just being a crazy bastard. 

That is all I was saying. 

 
 
 

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