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Theodore Roosevelt, Like Many of America's Founders, Not A Theist?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Simon Mathews Sep 17. 3 Replies

My evidence is in the early minutes of Part Two of Ken Burns' documentary.On TR's first day in the Executive Mansion, September 23 1901, he denied Xianity's promise of immortality when he gave…Continue

Tags: founders, presidents, America, theism, deism

What's some of the evidence that supports the thesis that the "Intelligent Designer" was beyond stupid.

Started this discussion. Last reply by Diane Aug 31. 45 Replies

Let me name the ways. (I will limit myself to three.)With any intelligence would he/she/it have designed:1) Tooth decay?2) An amygdala that when squeezed by cancer results in a young man's becoming a…Continue

Tags: design, evolution

Quitting An Authoritarian Religion Was Part Easy and Part Not Easy

Started this discussion. Last reply by Simon Paynton Jun 1. 2 Replies

First, what I found necessary.The ability to say "I like" and feel okay.The ability to say "I don't like" and feel okay.The ability to set limits and feel okay.I now find these abilities helpful…Continue

Tags: assertiveness, passive-aggressive, catholicism

Many Americans Want the Under (Submissive) Place in Over/Under" (Dominant/Submissive) Relationships.

Started this discussion. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 26. 2 Replies

In WW1 and WW2, the words Gott Mit Uns (God [is] With Us) were on German soldiers' belt buckles.In a recent (2008) book, Masters and Commanders; How Four Titans Won the War in the West, 1941-1945,…Continue

Tags: church and state, pledge of allegiance, under god

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Tom Sarbeck commented on Anna Stein's blog post 'No Title'
"D. Brooks, thank you. Your words reminded me that several of the nuns in the Catholic schools I attended during the 1940s had  not taught the party line. I remember a few nuns warning that doubting our faith was sinful, but my elderly 12th…"
10 hours ago
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"There's lots of room in the canyon. According to SIRI on my IPAD: Its width ranges from four to 18 miles, and Its average depth is 4000 feet; its maximum depth is 6000 feet. "
16 hours ago
Tom Sarbeck replied to Douglas Fo's discussion 'Here less than two hours'
"In the scammer's arsenal, along with religion, is patriotism. Those are two easy-to-recognize clues. Some years ago, in a really bad movie, I saw another clue; the villain was an exceptionally ugly guy. My mother, laughing, told me of the woman…"
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"Douglas, your account of looking down from a precipice reminds me of the time I looked down from the south rim of the Grand Canyon and saw the upper surfaces of a tiny, tiny two-person airplane, maybe a mile below me! In a snapshot it would have…"
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"I did a quick calculation and concluded that at about a tenth of the speed of light, the trip would take a few hundred years. During the trip, how many generations would be born, live, and die? How much water would they have to take with them? "
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"In the first letter of Mark Twain's Letters from the Earth, Satan tells Gabriel and Michael of one of his banishments from Heaven and what it's like to travel the cosmos. "Law -- Automatic Law -- exact and unvarying Law -- requiring…"
Oct 24
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"Agreed, Virgil. The sci-fi talents of Big Bang cosmologists leave me asking if their outpourings will help me pay the rent on my home. As to people, my paid employments during my teens had me dealing with so many that I find it easy to take them at…"
Oct 23
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"Karlee, many thanks for the URL. It makes the point so awesomely better than another I'd seen that I bookmarked it. "
Oct 23
Tom Sarbeck replied to Brian Daurelle's discussion 'In Defense of ‘Islamophobia’'
"Brian, I started out wanting to read your essay. Your first 'graph's overuse of adjectives and adverbs stopped me. But then, some fellow writers say I write 'economically.' "
Oct 23
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"My older sister once said my kid brother's children were our parents' revenge. Actually, they were good kids: the first is a nurse; the second an MD; the third a CPA. (On average, more driven than I.) Ironically, that brother wanted to…"
Oct 23
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"Awe struck or awe stricken? While day-hiking in Arizona's Superstition Mountains I was awe struck by their dangerous beauty. While thinking of the number of species we would have if all of the products of evolution had lived for more than a few…"
Oct 23
Tom Sarbeck replied to Davis Goodman's discussion 'Awe struck'
"Another parent joke -- my mom said she'd had twelve years to enjoy us before we became teenagers. Belle, enjoy the next five years. "
Oct 23
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"Brian, I've read your post several times. You state your ideas very clearly. Your doubting that the question is relevant reminds me of the time years ago when I realized the importance of evaluating every relationship from time to time, asking…"
Oct 14
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"Pascal’s Wager is a sucker’s game; only xians win.   First, the “dealer” (an xian) has thrown away the “cards” that give you (a non-xian) a win. Second, the “dealer” (an xian) gets a free ride; he…"
Oct 11
Tom Sarbeck replied to MikeLong's discussion 'There Is No God'
"We don't have to play this game; some of us choose to play it. I'll pass. I have other shit to do."
Oct 6
Tom Sarbeck replied to Ken P's discussion 'What's gained by being an atheist (not religious)'
"Mike, is saying you capitalized a certain three-letter word a silly word game?  "
Oct 5

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About Me:
Korean War veteran, was an electrician aboard a US Navy destroyer. BA in math and economics from the University of Florida. Married for 6 years to a freethinker, and for reasons too complicated to tell here we chose to remain childless. Retired from computer manufacturing. Running for election to Arizona Legislature was another education; I learned a lot but happily the incumbent won. Now living in SF Bay Area's Napa County and loving it.
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Why are you here?
For 16 years I've been one of a very few out atheists at a home for retired veterans. Most here are xians, some of them extremely conservative. Most here are Dems and they give me no flak. They all accept my refusing to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth; I told them I will discuss the issue when they pledge allegiance to the Constitution. I enjoy the mental exercise I get in conversations on atheist websites.
The religion you left
Why you left your religion.
When my parents told me I was going to college because I was too lazy to get a job, I threw them and their god out of my life. Several years later I made a peace of sorts with my parents. In April of 2012, in a Toastmasters Club here, I told of my leaving Catholicism for agnosticism and 50 years later leaving agnosticism for atheism. There are many out xians here. Very few try to recruit me; I tell them that but for 12 years in Catholic schools I might still believe one or more gods exist. To the very few who try to recruit me, I say religion is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on humankind. They stop trying.
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How did you hear about Think Atheist?
When TA was a contestant in the About Contest.

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At 8:51am on August 4, 2014, Ed said…

Ah yes, we've come a long way since the Prohibitionists marched down the streets garbed in black and carrying placards bemoaning the evils of spirits

At 10:15am on August 3, 2014, Ari said…

Hey there, thanks for being my friend! :) I start school on the 27th and I really don't know what to do. I'm just going for computer science because I know it'll be useful but don't know if I'd enjoy it. I hope I do so I don't have to change my major, but it's a big risk. It's pretty stressful and scary thinking about it because of the expenses. :/

At 11:34pm on August 1, 2014, Ed said…


Napa County huh? Wine country if I'm correct. I have a small vineyard here in Arkansas. En vino veritas.

At 2:35pm on June 17, 2014, Abdulrahman Aliyu said…
That's right friend, if we can really rely on the unseenism we will be free from internet's brain damage.
At 9:22pm on May 12, 2014, Ari said…

I'm sorry that you and your brothers had to go through that.

At first I was thinking along the lines of a huge steal. Sorry, that I misunderstood. :(

At 1:27am on May 12, 2014, Ari said…

Wait a second. I compared the message you've sent here to the initial one I received by mail about my discussion and I find it funny but scary at the same time. You stole things in the past? I appreciate your advice but what was left on the e-mail is very questionable. I would find it very scary to come back to see my home a mess and I'd feel very violated. I really don't know what to think about to this. I guess what is done is done, but I wouldn't see stealing as necessary unless your life of yourself or someone you love is at high risk. :s

At 8:28pm on July 16, 2013, archaeopteryx said…

RE: "arch, your posts have shown me that you are a worthy debater" - only because I'm out of vodka.

As for Google, you seem to be more popular than I - try,

At 2:25am on June 23, 2013, Karl Hanks said…

Hi Tom!  Just joined so I only have said hello!  Hello!

At 2:32pm on June 9, 2013, Simon Paynton said…

Thanks Tom.  I'm glad to hear it.  Yes I am. 

At 11:05am on December 16, 2012, Denise M. Purtell said…

Dude, all I was saying is that religion, or the lack there of, rather - has nothing to do with some nutcase and killing children. Holy rollers have been seemingly blaming the fact of "no religion in school" is the cause. It is an observation I've made. So all I was doing was trying to make a point that it is nothing to do with that and it has everything to do with the individual idiot just being a crazy bastard. 

That is all I was saying. 


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