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Sawyer Childs replied to Robert Taylor's discussion 'The Rapture - 1st Thessalonians' in the group Atheist Bible Readers
"Hello again Chris. Perhaps some of I've gathered can help you. I enjoy seeing someone dig into these things looking for answers. I agree there are two ways to take most things said, literal and figurative/metaphoric/spiritual/mystical. I…"
Jan 18, 2012
Sawyer Childs replied to Robert Taylor's discussion 'The Rapture - 1st Thessalonians' in the group Atheist Bible Readers
"****** re: song: ******Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and…"
Jan 18, 2012
Sawyer Childs replied to Robert Taylor's discussion 'The Rapture - 1st Thessalonians' in the group Atheist Bible Readers
"I believe there is evidence of a third coming, but I wouldn't even call it that. There is no place in scritprue that talks about a "second coming". The facts are Jesus said he and his father would return with their crew, the saints,…"
Jan 12, 2012
Sawyer Childs replied to Robert Taylor's discussion 'The Rapture - 1st Thessalonians' in the group Atheist Bible Readers
"(continued) Now, what's interesting is how this "lifting up" can actually have yet another realistic way of looking at it that never could have been imagined 2000 yrs ago if it hadn't been demonstrated for them, opening them up…"
Jan 12, 2012
Sawyer Childs replied to Robert Taylor's discussion 'The Rapture - 1st Thessalonians' in the group Atheist Bible Readers
"Hi Chris - There is no word "rapture" in the historic record called the New Testament. The one called Paul of Tarsus talked about being "caught up" - 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive andremain shall be caught up together with…"
Jan 12, 2012
Heather Spoonheim left a comment for Sawyer Childs
"Yes, well you've confirmed what I suspected from the beginning.  All of your 'evidence' is internal experience that cannot be verified by anyone else in anyway.  Plenty of people have such experiences, and there are no…"
Jan 11, 2012
Heather Spoonheim left a comment for Sawyer Childs
"You just move from claim to claim without ever offering a shred of evidence. Now you make a new claim about Marshall and Bonnie being figures from an ancient prophecy and pull a bait and switch by asking me what I would consider 'proof'…"
Jan 10, 2012
Heather Spoonheim left a comment for Sawyer Childs
"Again, long winded rhetoric, abstract allusions to various claims, and zero evidence.  I suppose it's the long winded diatribe (likely coupled with malnutrition and dehydration) that blows the circuits in devotees.  I suppose…"
Jan 9, 2012
Heather Spoonheim left a comment for Sawyer Childs
"The biggest difference between instincts and scientific determinations is that scientific determinations are written down and then scrutinized whereas instincts are most often kept private until after the fact so they can  avoid scrutiny. As…"
Jan 9, 2012
Heather Spoonheim left a comment for Sawyer Childs
"Our instincts about how things work are almost always wrong and science has been able to prove this time and time again; so, before science, people really didn't have a clue how things worked.  Our instincts about gravity are wrong, as our…"
Jan 8, 2012
Sawyer Childs and Heather Spoonheim are now friends
Jan 8, 2012
Heather Spoonheim left a comment for Sawyer Childs
"So you just spammed all members of Atheist bible readers with your abduction claim -> without having the courtesy to spell out, in the least, what you were saying.  So, point blank, I ask that you lay out your evidence or accept now that I…"
Jan 6, 2012
Sawyer Childs joined Jon Heim's group
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Jan 6, 2012
Sawyer Childs commented on Johnny's blog post 'Sunday Morning Service - 05SEP'
"God evolved from humans. Isn't it funny that it's both true and false and I can prove it tonight on my blogtalkradio.com/sawyer broadcast at 10pm ET if anyone has the guts to look into it and let me know that's why your there. But…"
Sep 8, 2010
Sawyer Childs commented on Gaytor's blog post 'Existence of Hell in the Bible'
"sorry - I leave lots of holes in these posts. There are the creators and there are the creation, that's all. Now part of that creation includes humans of course no matter what planet they originated on. These are being called space aliens…"
Jul 8, 2010
Sawyer Childs commented on Gaytor's blog post 'Existence of Hell in the Bible'
"why is it important for you to say nothing in comments except how you dissapprove of everything I say? I understand well how upside down religion is and you have a chance to see why but only if you decide you want to and I am not offended by your…"
Jul 7, 2010

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About Me:
I believe the religions all of them, to include new age spirutality all have aspects of reality in them BUT are 99% distorted. However, that's not to say people who do good things for others in belief of even the distortion are not doing their best to evolve. Atheism is included. It's a belief of what people don't believe to be real. I am not an "ist" or an "ism" - ite. However, my experience can talk to all and includes what is beyond human and beyond space alien.
Age
53-58
Why are you here?
To listen to others and share my experiences, that to be honest are hard to take as they came from Ti and Do, the two people called the UFO TWO and the TWO Witnesses and the founders of the people known as the Heaven's Gate group of whom I was a part for 19 years. No group exists now and I don't want one. That's part of the problem, when we organize what was meant to be to remain unorganized.
Why you left your religion.
I have never been a religionist nor spiritualist (modern day new religonists) and never will be. Don't need others to believe in what I believe in, however that doesn't mean I think there is nothing to outside the box thinking. Atheism is very inside the box as are all religions because I have been outside the box in my mind and perhaps in other ways.
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At 3:02am on January 11, 2012, Heather Spoonheim said…

Yes, well you've confirmed what I suspected from the beginning.  All of your 'evidence' is internal experience that cannot be verified by anyone else in anyway.  Plenty of people have such experiences, and there are no patterns within these experiences that suggest anything objective can ever be determined about them.

Have you ever considered that your 'feelings' might be leading you astray?  Especially when many of the things they lead you to believe are not are unfalsifiable but also contradict the objective reality that you can confirm through the experience of others?

At 2:58pm on January 10, 2012, Heather Spoonheim said…

You just move from claim to claim without ever offering a shred of evidence. Now you make a new claim about Marshall and Bonnie being figures from an ancient prophecy and pull a bait and switch by asking me what I would consider 'proof' rather than evidence.

Revelations makes no claim specific enough that it could be tied, exclusively, to any single time, place, event, or person.  In that sense, it's great prophecy -> completely unfalsifiable and very accessible to magical thinking.

Marshall and Bonnie are dead and no longer exist.  If you have some evidence to the contrary, then present it.  If you feel you are communicating with them in some way, well then present evidence of that.  Perhaps Marshall and Bonnie can see into the cube shaped nightstand by my bedroom door?  Ask them what's inside.  Or perhaps you'll just say that it doesn't work that way.

My point here is that you throw unqualified claims out like manure, then back out of them by pointing out your words were never so specific, then move on to other claims which you will not support either.  Why don't you just try stating explicitly what your supernatural claims are?

At 9:32am on January 9, 2012, Heather Spoonheim said…

Again, long winded rhetoric, abstract allusions to various claims, and zero evidence.  I suppose it's the long winded diatribe (likely coupled with malnutrition and dehydration) that blows the circuits in devotees.  I suppose you'll just continue to avoid making explicit statements so you can always back out when you are proven wrong.

You do not have any special knowledge of the future or insight into the human psyche.  You are incapable of supporting your supernatural claims and will never be as capable at leading a cult as Ti and Do because you lack the audacity to explicitly state your claims.  Good luck finding other people to join your winter solstice suicide pact.

At 12:17am on January 9, 2012, Heather Spoonheim said…

The biggest difference between instincts and scientific determinations is that scientific determinations are written down and then scrutinized whereas instincts are most often kept private until after the fact so they can  avoid scrutiny.

As per your 'examples', why not just provide a link so we can discuss one of them?  The only thing I've made up my mind about is demanding verifiable evidence before I'll entertain extraordinary claims.  Your cult leaders were like many others who killed themselves and convinced others to do so with them - nothing unique in that at all.

I'll tell you what - please send me a link to your Youtube channel so I can paste your end of world prediction next year so that everyone can see you are just another doomsdayer looking for attention.

You can stop blathering on about the evidence that you don't have.  I asked you to provide it in my first message to you and all you've done is spew the rhetorical gymnastics of any typical devotee trying to avoid admitting that you have nothing.

At 2:50pm on January 8, 2012, Heather Spoonheim said…

Our instincts about how things work are almost always wrong and science has been able to prove this time and time again; so, before science, people really didn't have a clue how things worked.  Our instincts about gravity are wrong, as our our instincts about how birds fly, etc.

Evidence is something that can be measured independently by different people.  Regardless of who does the measurements, if they follow the same procedures they will arrive at the same results.

I am fully aware who the leaders of your cult were, and how they killed themselves.  I'm also aware that they were able to convince others to join them.  Now they are dead, and you can claim as you like but there is no evidence to the contrary.

At 8:31pm on January 6, 2012, Heather Spoonheim said…

So you just spammed all members of Atheist bible readers with your abduction claim -> without having the courtesy to spell out, in the least, what you were saying.  So, point blank, I ask that you lay out your evidence or accept now that I view your experience as something for which you need medication.

 
 
 

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