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behavior and evolutions
Started this discussion. Last reply by Roger Tholen Jul 12, 2009. 5 Replies 0 Likes
Behaviorism and determinism
Started this discussion. Last reply by Roger Tholen Jul 21, 2009. 151 Replies 0 Likes
Behaviorism
Started this discussion. Last reply by Rolf Marvin Bøe Lindgren Jun 5, 2009. 16 Replies 0 Likes
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Wesley replied to Roger Tholen's discussion 'Behaviorism' in the group Think Atheist Radio"Hey Roger,
I'm a simple person so I'm kinda limited to simple terms. LOL
Here's a really neat ebook that you might find interesting. Its called 'The Authoritarians" and written by professor Bob…"
Roger Tholen replied to Roger Tholen's discussion 'Behaviorism' in the group Think Atheist Radio"HI Wes: I was lucky enough to have a mentor, teacher, guide, or whatever names are applicable. I must admit I was a very poor student. He died about 16 yrs ago, which left me hanging out to dry so to speak. I read that whole paper and it was like…"
Wesley replied to Roger Tholen's discussion 'Behaviorism' in the group Think Atheist Radio"Roger, Here's the original talk entitled 'Science of the Masters'... which you will see has its own problems and limitations.... But it does show that some 'deep' independent thought does occur ,within certain parameters,…"
Wesley replied to Roger Tholen's discussion 'Behaviorism' in the group Think Atheist Radio"The idea is to continually improve your tools for examination of social and cultural conditioning to give you the freedom of separating 'you' from the conditioning...and eventually take some modicum of control over it. The ability to…"
Wesley replied to Roger Tholen's discussion 'Behaviorism' in the group Think Atheist Radio"Hey Roger,
It actually comes from a Letter that was eventually printed in a book from the Late Sant Mat Guru Sawan Singh (RadhaSoami Satsang Beas) to a disciple answering a question about fate, karma, free will, predestination etc...
I would like…"
Wesley replied to Roger Tholen's discussion 'Behaviorism' in the group Think Atheist Radio"Here's something interesting from an old Indian guru on Free Will
PREDESTINATION VS. FREE WILL
A will is free only so long as it has not acted.
Once it acts, then that very act becomes binding
on it. The second time it acts, it does not act…"
Roger Tholen commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"I am happy for your excellent results. My mother was not so lucky. They mis-diagnosed a skin disorder for nothing serious. She was dead a few weeks later from cancer; I say that over all md's do more harm then good in the long run. the…"
Roger Tholen commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"Well, there is something to be said about being distrustful of much of the medical system. In all my years, I've got the most help from alternative methods. I will say I had a hernia and a rotater (sp) cup or cuff. (It's been a while.)…"
Roger Tholen commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"BTW. Do you ever watch Bill Maher? He presently is the most outspoken atheist around. He's on HBO. He made the movie religiosity which caused quite a stir. I don't know how he manages to stay alive with all the religious nuts around. I…"
Roger Tholen commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"I agree with your additional comments. One of the additional avenues the religious draw people in and I've not only seen it many times, but that's how they roped in my ex. I would have never believed it possible because we were so together…"
Roger Tholen commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"I think most of us lucky ones that still love science in general had at least one person somewhere along the line while growing up that turned us on to the wonderful possibilities of learning. Mine came later in life, but whenever it comes, its much…"
Dave G commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"@Michel I was fortunate in having some good teachers who were willing to let us get our hands dirty. I still recall one teacher having us calculate the proper angle and pull to fire an arrow with a sodium tip into a bucket of water, which then…"
Dave G commented on Roger Tholen's blog post 'More behaviorism and determinism'"A key factor in the 'dry and boring' part of science education these days is liability. So much of the hands-on learning of science, such as chemistry lab, has been scaled back or even removed for fear of lawsuits should little Timmy…"
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- Raised catholic,and many more religions and logic told me they were all "full of it".Love nature, live in the country,with my two dogs.
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- Why are you here?
- Even though it appears useless to argue with about 90% of the true believers, I like to see that there is at least a few of us more or less sane people around yet.
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- Catholic
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- , they are all just business under the various belief systems
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More behaviorism and determinism
Posted on June 23, 2009 at 4:34pm 30 Comments 0 Likes
Determinism and behaviorism
This may take a bit more than a quicky.. I will try to keep it simple at first.
A behavior can only be affected in three ways. And to some extent, a fourth way...As a way of demonstrating that something really did happen, we use rate of responding for starters. You must admit if the rate goes up or down, something has happened. When a person makes a response to whatever, the first thing that might happen is positive reinforcement of the… Continue
This may take a bit more than a quicky.. I will try to keep it simple at first.
A behavior can only be affected in three ways. And to some extent, a fourth way...As a way of demonstrating that something really did happen, we use rate of responding for starters. You must admit if the rate goes up or down, something has happened. When a person makes a response to whatever, the first thing that might happen is positive reinforcement of the… Continue
Choosing and free will
Posted on June 1, 2009 at 7:27pm 25 Comments 0 Likes
We are all determinists even if we unaware of it. We do not expect the car to start by itself. We do not expect the grass to cut itself. We do not expect the food to make its way to our mouth without using a spoon or fork. We do not expect the window to open or close without our taking some action. I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.
When it comes to other behaviors, we expect them to happen by “magic”, or “free will’.. No cause. This really defiles logic if one… Continue
When it comes to other behaviors, we expect them to happen by “magic”, or “free will’.. No cause. This really defiles logic if one… Continue
Comment Wall (9 comments)
- At 2:08am on April 28, 2010, Wesley gave Roger Tholen a gift…
- At 12:53pm on July 17, 2009, Dave G said…
- Roger, I think you'll find this interesting:
http://www.pointofinquiry.org/tom_clark_scientific_naturalism_and_the_illusion_of_free_will/
- At 12:22am on July 5, 2009,
Reggie said… - A fellow dog lover always has a special place in my heart. Besides, we have to stick together against all those cat lovers! Thanks for accepting my friendship request.
- At 5:28pm on June 26, 2009,
flo Sayer said… - You are one of the few people who make a little sense. To me its obvious that things are determined by past events. I can't go into as much detail as you do, but as I think about it, it makes a great deal of sense.
- At 11:33am on June 26, 2009, Reggie said…
- I was being a little playful. I didn't think you meant that literally. Perhaps I don't understand free will and determinism as denuvian states below. It is not something I have really delved into.
- At 4:28pm on May 25, 2009,
Nick said… - Most people don't understand free will in relation to determinism. They just define free will as freedom from physical or social coercion.
- At 9:02pm on May 23, 2009,
Chelsea said… - Welcome to Think Atheist, Roger!
- At 4:57pm on April 28, 2009, Nick said…
- Roger, does it frustrate you because it seems religious people have built a system to reward themselves for stupid reasoning?
That's the Skinner aspect, correct?
- At 7:00pm on April 27, 2009,
Nelson said… - hi Roger, welcome! glad to have you with us.
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