"I agree with you to a degree here. But this is not the secrecy under discussion. There is a difference between not telling us every detail and not even letting us know what the government is doing at all.
And virtually no terrorist nor…"
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The modal ontological argument
Started this discussion. Last reply by fester60613 Dec 27, 2011. 85 Replies 0 Likes
Well i have been having a discussion with a theist and he has just brought up the modal ontological argument. I have now done some research on modal logic and have sites marked to further educate…Continue
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Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"It is not all or nothing on that choice. Virtually everyone is fine with the normal system of getting a warrant from a judge for a specific person. And it is not like that has never been abused. The question is just how much potential for…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'""and as long as Big Brother isn't commenting on what they say unless they, for example, talk about blowing up Milwaukee"
And just how long do you think that is going to be? Every government ends up abusing powers ,…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"I am not as sure about that as you . You can bring up that poll but it was not worded in a way that accurately represents our current situation and we know how wording alone influences a poll . It is also very early yet and there is likely a lot…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"Unseen- and keeping prism is not assurance of stopping those potentially horrific consequences. Keeping it could also lead to potentially horrific consequences"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"I know unseen, you are arguing my case for me as this is just like your question. It is not neccasarily a simple dichotomy between prism and a surveillance ductatorship or between privacy and getting nuked."
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"Really? You seem to be missing alot of what happens to political dessenters in russia or china. Not all the time but often enough to have a chilling effect."
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"Stop trying to create a false dichotomy here unseen. And what about my other question.
"or we keep it and it gets abused untill we und up with as much freedom as russia?"
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Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"I will answer your question if you answer mine.
"which supposed that we took down Prism and as a result let an attack happen."
yes that would be bad , it would likely be agreed that prism would have been a good idea.
Now answer my…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"Ff you want to play what if games then what if we dont shut it down and it happens anyway because the slim leads to the plot are burried amongst a mountian of other leads?
.what if we let prism go on and along with the problems that we are…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"Unseen- and exactly what information has been released that offers hints to get around it. No technical information has been released such as their search algorithms , or keywords they look for. About the most sensitive information that has been…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"What about tor? It is the most popular privacy application in the world and is only somewhat vulnurable to very specific methods of attack that are not really feasable in the real world . Even china's only way of combating tor is by…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'""I do not know what alternative would be appropriate that would not violate the 4th amendment in some way without jeopardizing the secrecy that is needed to not "blow" the operation of finding the criminals. The ones that want to kill…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"This is an interesting video from 3 months ago with a NSA head directly lying to congress .
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Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"Halfway? have you ever heard of tor? It is simple to use and as long as you follow some simple precautions it is safe and will protect your privacy online. Which probably goes to explain why jacob appelbaum has been harrased by the…"
Rocky john replied to Unseen's discussion 'Concerned about what we're learning about govt data collection, privacy, and secrecy?'"What i am trying so hard to understand is just how this leak is so damaging to national security . Any terrorist or criminal with half a brain already knew about this.This has been a topic of great interest in the hacking scene for years…"
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The most important picture ever taken
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:53pm 6 Comments 3 Likes
Yesterday while browsing the net i came across a picture which left me almost speechless and in a state of awe. It was taken back in 2004 when they pointed the hubble telescope at an apparently empty piece of space ,smaller than a 1 mm-by-1 mm square of paper held 1 meter away, over a period of 4months. And what they saw in that insignificantly tiny portion of empty sky was breath taking, over 10 000 galaxies, each on containing hundreds of billions of stars. every single point and…
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- At 2:46pm on August 3, 2011,
Mallory said… - The picture you posted has been a source of humility and passion for me ever since I found it years go. I have tried time and again to explain the sheer magnitude of what it represents, with little luck. I have what most would consider a 'spiritual' experience when I sit and think about what that picture represents. Thank you for sharing it; I haven't looked at it in awhile. :)
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