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Pew Forum Oct 2012 Poll results "Nones on the Rise" (In the US)
Started this discussion. Last reply by JC Samson Dec 4, 2012. 1 Reply 0 Likes
I just finished going through the details of the Pew Forum recent poll. I find it very enlightening. Here is the link:…Continue
Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism
Started this discussion. Last reply by Andrew Dec 2, 2012. 36 Replies 0 Likes
While I am what most people would describe as an atheist, I normally call myself an agnostic, not so much because of any belief in a creator, but more because I would be open to accepting there was…Continue
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JC Samson replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Pew Forum Oct 2012 Poll results "Nones on the Rise" (In the US)'"I agree with your request. My wife and I get along great even though we differ on religious beliefs/disbeliefs."
HoPpeR posted a discussionPew Forum Oct 2012 Poll results "Nones on the Rise" (In the US)
I just finished going through the details of the Pew Forum recent poll. I find it very enlightening. Here is the link: Oct 2012 Pew Forum Poll.Basically the poll says that there has been a big rise in the people in the US that claim "no affiliation" with respect towards religion. This was good news for me, affirming that I am not alone in my views at all. There is much to discuss about the results, but I…See More
HoPpeR replied to Matt Thomas's discussion 'BE OFFENDED!!'"A hypothetical question: What if the thiest was your mom who was talking about how nice it will be to see your father again in the afterlife? Would you challenge her in that situation and get a kick in the head out of lighting that match? Please…"
Andrew replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"Your "benefits of religion" list seems to center around Marx's famous criticism: Religion is the opiate of the masses.
Personally I think opiating the masses is a bad thing. And opiating myself is a bad thing. I would never numb…"
Donald S. Chase replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"I like that 99.99% thing. Old Pappy used to say, "The best way to make yourself look good Is to hang out with a bunch of ugly people"."
Simon Paynton replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"HoPpeR:
"I find the topic of religion difficult." I think even religious people find it difficult. What I've got there is a clean, efficient, stripped-down version. I found it hard work to get to that stage, because…"
Gallup's Mirror replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"@kk
I mentioned the intent earlier: tearing down religion and absurd ideas by making fun of them. Then we got into the bit about satire.
Examine satire academically as rhetoric and you'll find there are myriad criticisms of it. But notions that…"
HoPpeR replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"I must respect the other atheist illogical folly, but only in the sense and to the extent that I can't force him to see the bigger picture or shut him up when he causes harm to my goals. HoP HoP McHoPiTy
That is a straw man you set up to knock…"
Ed replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'""Religion is not fought against in the emotional arena which is what insulting religion does, they have that locked up. It is fought against in the part of the brain that values logic and knowledge. Not all people value that so their will…"
HoPpeR replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"Again, what you think is not important. Religion is designed to motivate the follower to try and convert people. The idea that a son is turning away from the church and going to hell is horrible for a father and he will be motivated to keep that…"
Kir Komrik replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"Hey Gallup's Mirror,
What is your goal or intent in the "stare down" to which you refer? Is it to change minds? Alter belief? If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you can "influence" [teeming masses of] people…"
Gallup's Mirror replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"That's a fine example, Jared. The message is simple and effective: Islam commands followers to kill unbelievers. The non-extremists get upset because the message confronts them with a shameful concept from an outsider's perspective.
If an…"
jared manley replied to HoPpeR's discussion 'Positives that religion provides and making a case for a different approach to promote atheism'"There is no need to explain satire. I'm a huge fan of Pratchett and Douglas Adams.
Pissing off people is different then making them laugh at their religions absurdities. There is no guarantee that they will find it remotely funny.
Just to…"
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