"It's not about saying who is allowed to, it's just about making your genes healthier before they begin the baby-making process so your child is healthier than it otherwise would be. And many people here agree it should be a choice, not a…"
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Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"I have several arguments to the above:
[1] We are living in an age where technological transformations have been massive. "New" discoveries have abounded - computers and information theory are less than a century old and have completely…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"I agree. I have said so as much :) this statement is true in every way. I agree the disease has magnified his perceived brilliance and popularised science. He was on South Park and the Simpson's - the great social indicators of social…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"Except when we perfect wormholes and flit ourselves all over the galaxy :) But it has played a rather significant role in developing particle physics (Higg's Boson, for example), which have real world application"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"Understood. I see evidence of this in governmental interference with parenting, and proposed laws preventing parents from modes of discipline, and so on."
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"I think though, there is a great difference between types of suffering. I have not suffered any great physical problems, but I have suffered abuse by others and abuse by myself. I believe this kind of suffering is far more important in defining my…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"I don't mean to be underhanded. I mean this - if it is possible to remove a limit, what is the value in not doing so? And what is the value in not attempting to do so, if we can not? Why should human lifespan have a limit? This is what I mean…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"Oh very true :) he became science's poster boy, and was over-glorified. It doesn't affect the brilliance of his work, but certainly blows his importance out of proportion. His importance is, vastly, to the public."
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"There is a programme in Britain which educates people in difficult situations (prostitutes, severe druggies etc.) regarding their choices in abortions, vasectomies and adoption. It also provides monetary income for those that wish to have reversible…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"The fact that he thinks dimensionally is, once again, irrelevant to his medical condition, I believe. Many famous physicists think very graphically. A la Dirac, for example - he was obsessed with hyper-spatial geometry, and applied it over many…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"The social obsession for avoiding suffering has been going on since the dawn of life. It is one of the most fundamental things to all organisms, and absolutely requisite as a behavioural tool in natural selection. We can choose to suffer when it is…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"Please expound the value of limit, if you would be so kind. That was just kind of left in the air, even though it is the basis of your argument."
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"I think it is fallacious to argue he thinks differently because of his disability. He is very creative. Einstein, on the other hand, had no major physical problems, and is one of the most creative physicists of the past century. I think no matter…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"Studying the human genome has value for treating disease to, as understanding how a particular gene encodes a physical problem is important to attempting to treat it. I think the problem of suffering (both for and agaisnt the topic) is this: You…"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"[Like]"
Orpharion Oroborus Bestheneme replied to Schroeder Alice Veidt's discussion 'Eugenics - A touchy subject I'd like to explore'"His work on black holes and their entropy was significant. He has improved humanity - not so much as Einstein, Dirac or Feynman, but his mark is there. He is/was a good theoretical physicist."
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- At 3:42am on May 13, 2011,
Heather Spoonheim said… - Thanks. My opponent there is #2 on my list of 3 irritating 'opponents'. I've learned a great deal from him, though, and I think most of that lesson will really strengthen by debate skills in ways that apply to engaging theists.
- At 5:58pm on May 12, 2011, Heather Spoonheim said…
- BTW, with Sassan, be prepared for repetitive dogmatic assertions of misguided beliefs as fact. Engage if you find it entertaining, but know before hand that he will not take part in a meaningful exchange of ideas.
- At 5:57am on May 12, 2011, Heather Spoonheim said…
- Hey, buddy! Thanks for the add.
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- Welcom to TA, OOB! Glad you jumped into a discussion without being shy about expressing an opinion. I share that opinion, although I think Robert's words got taken out of context - there was plenty of other 'dickishness' though. Robert is actually a very level headed guy with great insight, so I hope you two can share some positives.
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