I concede several steps. However I put forth a more basic argument, and the onus is on you to disprove it. While I will give a (kind of) proof (of sorts) for it.
I state : Minimizing the total (death,pain : in that order) in a society…"
"To say that, is to not recognize the difference between our current, modern age, and possibly any time before.
Yes there are overarching metaphysical concepts that have an objective definition of good. To keep things clear, I'm going to state…"
"You sound like you'd be fine with slipping back into the dark ages of slavery and whatnot...... no right?
But yeah, you are right that there were different standards before. However, I believe that we can easily prove that life today is better…"
"That's the point isn't it? Just because something WORKS doesn't make it right. Attrition of the weak, disabled, sick, weird, etc all definitely WORK to make the society free of genetic weaknesses - if we are all…"
"I didn't just make it up. I just put it down in words. It does seem like THE basic rule. Its not objective. Its what we have accepted as a precondition to living in a civilized society as we know it.
Are you just suggesting moral relativism…"
"Good - What the majority agrees on is good, and which doesn't deny any person of food, clothing, shelter, air, water, and safety from physical harm.
Everything else is up to the majority.
Oh boy, I think I'm going to get ripped apart :D.…"
"You seem to keep stating the obvious, but not consider the implications. Just like saying "Everyone should be free to do whatever they want. Period! How dare you tell anyone what to do??"
You aren't realizing that MOST people…"