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How to confront bigotry against atheists without sounding strident/angry
Started this discussion. Last reply by Melanie Dawn Molina Wood Mar 22, 2011. 6 Replies 0 Likes
or being accused of sounding so. To start at the beginning, I am active on several discussion boards including ActiveRain (which is by and for people involved in the real estate industry) and another…Continue
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Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"To Ryan and Marshall, this is what Jones said about his planned book burnings last September:
After the March burning, he said:"We wanted to raise awareness of this dangerous religion and dangerous element," Jones said. "I think…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"As I said to Lee, Terry Jones' own words prove his intent to incite violence. He WANTED the violence to prove his point.
And if it was bizarre and racist to predict such violence from Terry Jones' actions, why did our own government…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"Lee, I don't see a reply button on your response, but yes, I do have proof of his intent. I have his own words from last year and this year. He freely admits that he wanted exactly this response to prove his point. And he fully intends to do it…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"What is rubbish is the implication that I have said anywhere that my position on Terry Jones allows for an "excuse to murder another person." And saying that my position is "rubbish" and then setting up a strawman is not…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"That is not what I asked, though. Of course other people could react in any number of ways to what Terry Jones did. The ideal reaction would have been if other people did exactly nothing in response to Terry Jones.
But I am talking about what…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood commented on Reg The Fronkey Farmer's blog post 'Westboro Baptists'"Louis is made up much stronger stuff than I am. I admire his calm in the face of such hateful vile bigotry"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"to perform what act?
Burning a book in general to protest something? Or burning a book for the sole and specific reason of inciting other people to act out violently and possibly kill other people?
Because that is the difference we are…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"I disagree for the reasons I've already stated."
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"Brandenburg v Ohio makes no such restriction. The test for the limitation on free speech is intent, imminence, and likelihood. Clearly, Terry Jones had every intention of inciting violence. He also knew that there was every likelihood that his…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"
Beautifully said, Paul!"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"so what is your logical conclusion? That we should all go out and burn Korans and Mohammed in effigy to protest Muslim violence... knowing that our actions would incite violence?"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"Are you burning the flag for the sole purpose of inciting violence? Are you getting your abortion for the sole purpose of inciting violence?
Conversely, do you really think anyone is going to have a violent reaction to you burning your own…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"I am not suggesting that anyone should limit their speech on the mere possibility of a violent reaction. I am, however, stating that engaging in a specific speech/action DESIGNED to cause a violent reaction is not "free speech." It is…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Richmond's discussion 'Burning holy books'"I agree, Albert. We do hold people responsible for their words/actions when done to incite violence. Not all speech is protected, and speech that is done purposely to cause others to go out and commit murder should not be protect nor…"
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood replied to Melanie Dawn Molina Wood's discussion 'How to confront bigotry against atheists without sounding strident/angry'"LOL Yep! I brought up every one of your points on the other general board (EXCEPT calling them "authoritarian thugs" or even "ignorant bigots" ;-) ) when I was trying to decide if I wanted to post a full…"
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