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Free Will, Or Lack Of.

Started this discussion. Last reply by a7 Nov 28, 2009. 30 Replies

A deep thought occurred to me the other day when someone less educated then myself got on my nerves. Do people truly have free will? I'm not entirely sure if this is fitting for the site, but I can…Continue

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Feb 24, 2010
a7 replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"the choice is a choice only until the choice has been choosen and we still have the choice to change our minds and do so everyday of my life anyway. once the final choice is taken and the brain sets it in motion. Only at that point its is…"
Nov 28, 2009
Kirk Holden replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"There is a necessary distinction required here. I (an organism) have subjective experience which include a Theory of Mind, an expectation that some other agents in my environment have minds with subjective experience. It is a useful simplification…"
Nov 18, 2009
Atheist Ninja replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"Definitions of will taken form dictionary.com. "1. the faculty of conscious and especially of deliberate action; the power of control the mind has over its own actions: the freedom of the will. 2. power of choosing one's own actions: to…"
Nov 15, 2009
Porter replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"I don't want a burden :( I simply want to spark creative thought, and read into so deep thought into each side, for and against what I said."
Nov 4, 2009
Christian Thompson replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"ergo freewill is irrelevant I think this is probably how I fall on this topic as well."
Nov 4, 2009
Christian Thompson replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"Even if the decision has been "predetermined" it was still "you" who made the choice to act on it. How is this not free will? (I do not use this term in the religious sense) There will be changes to every scenario you run, no…"
Nov 4, 2009
Atheist Ninja replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"What makes you so sure it could have gone either way? "I do believe there's more to a person than matter and energy. That something is called "the mind", and scientists are busy studying it. Though it may be simplified to a…"
Nov 4, 2009
CJoe replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"You completely misread everything I typed. No, my decision was not spontaneous. There's nothing about what I said that even suggests it was. Decisions can be methodical OR spontaneous but, in this case, it was methodical. It is not MY premise…"
Nov 4, 2009
Atheist Ninja replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"A fairly accurate time of death could be found for the cat based on body temperature and decomposition, illustrating that the cat went from a state of living to a state of death at a specific time. Or if the cat is still alive once the box is opened…"
Nov 4, 2009
Atheist Ninja replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"Are you implying that nothing but spontaneity changed your mind, or can you recall certain factors leading you to stray from Christianity? Even though if it were just seemingly spontaneous, it could be a deterministic outcome based on any number of…"
Nov 4, 2009
CJoe replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"I don't think it should be taken away. I didn't use it because it's an original story. The whole reason I chose it is because it's common for people to change their minds. It may not add to my argument, but it doesn't take…"
Nov 3, 2009
Porter replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"I understand what you're saying, and don't feel you're trying to add a sense of magic to this, but think of this. I think we can all agree that "changing your mind", is in fact a decision. How people react to things varies,…"
Nov 3, 2009
CJoe replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"P.S. I at least feel like I know our thoughts are not predetermined simply because I changed my mind; I was once a devout Christian and am now atheist. Despite my upbringing, despite the "experiences with God" I had, despite my family and…"
Nov 3, 2009
CJoe replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"Evolution is not "creative". It is random and not determined. I'm surprised you would even make that statement. Although we're able to see patterns, what I've understood Dawkins to be saying is that the fact that elephants…"
Nov 3, 2009
Doug Reardon replied to Porter's discussion 'Free Will, Or Lack Of.'
"Until the probability wave collapses, we are capable of doing all possibilities, ergo freewill is irrelevant; it is the fact that we observe what is possible and take note, that causes the wave to collapse. Just like Schrodinger's cat."
Nov 3, 2009

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