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Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20
Started this discussion. Last reply by Rob Klaers Jul 5, 2012. 6 Replies 0 Likes
I would like to hear your opinions and arguments on these verses.I love these versus to argue with Christians because most Christians I meet say that they have UNQUESTIONING faith in their god. Yet…Continue
If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier
Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen Jan 2, 2012. 34 Replies 3 Likes
Hi, I'm an atheist who was raised secular, but I have attended religious services with people from many different backgrounds. Now, I don't dislike anyone who believes in God. In fact, I love to talk…Continue
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Rob Klaers replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20'
John Kelly replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20'"Yeah, go with the ESV. It is free online and pretty good. Sometimes it is best if you read the ESV and quote the KJV to Christians. Then they will guide you to "their" translation.
I think your angle is good. You…"
Leigh Anna Spivy replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20'"Believe me, this verse is not meant destroy religion wholey; my point in debating this with the religious is to show that questioning the existance of their god is not a sin! (which is a contradiction to many verses in the bible, I will give you…"
John Kelly replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20'"David, I am actually also in agreement with you. I just don't hold it all the time. When I am dealing with people who are actively causing harm (like anti-gay people) I will use the bible to oppose them.
But my big concern is…"
David Conrad replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20'"I have a feeling I'm in a minority on this forum on this issue, but in my opinion it's a mistake to try to use the Bible, or any religious text or story, against believers. In the first place it doesn't do anything to dissuade…"
John Kelly replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'Best Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20'"It is also a misrepresentation of idol worship. Hardly anyone thought their idols were actually their gods. They believed that they linked to their gods.
I don't know about how effective this angle is going to be though. My…"
Leigh Anna Spivy replied to SteveInCO's discussion '"You are just mad at god"--Are we actually encouraging this by mistake?'"I think the problem is a two level issue:
1. a lot of people (including atheists) don't know how to argue an issue with strong logical points that DO NOT INVOLVE emotional responses.
and
2. People who do believe in god need to be…"
Leigh Anna Spivy posted a discussionBest Bible Verses to Argue with Christians: Isaiah 44:15-20
I would like to hear your opinions and arguments on these verses.I love these versus to argue with Christians because most Christians I meet say that they have UNQUESTIONING faith in their god. Yet these verses of the bible preach that such blindness is a symptom of a person who has "builds an idol" for himself!! In addition it suggests to me that not questioning the existence of your particular god makes you a fool. Enjoy!Isaiah 44:15-20New Living Translation (NLT)15 Then he uses part of the…See More
Unseen replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier'"The leading motive, conscious or subconscious, for believing in God is that it provides some hope for continued personal existence beyond the grave."
Rob Klaers replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier'"If they're all knowing.. how could they not know you were faking it? They'd know you were being dishonest (,ie lying) . If we're talking the Christian God that would be an automaticbreaking of one of the 10 Commandments before…"
Rob Klaers replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier'"This comes across as a variation of Pascal's Wager..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
I have a few questions for you ... Why is it easier? Because then they don't have to put any thought into things and just…"
Leigh Anna Spivy commented on Lisa Lark's blog post 'What makes religion stick around in a world that should have grown out of it long ago?'"Dont forget the pressure of living under a theocracy and the power that can come with it. Even the USA, who claims a separation between church and state, have yet to eliminate religious bias from school system, politics, etc. Why? Because Religion…"
Gordon Thefreeman replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier'"As an ex christian, I can try an give you a picture of what it's like: I'll use myself as an example.
A deed is done that causes me to feel worried that I'll be caught. Lets say I cheated on my wife.
Now the worry drives me nuts,…"
Leigh Anna Spivy replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier'"(also, I use this example because, much like religion, science is a system of beliefs, but one with a set of logic that we can, more or less, agree on.)
Perhaps I should make clearer what I mean by "easier" first. Perhaps this statement is…"
Leigh Anna Spivy replied to Leigh Anna Spivy's discussion 'If God does not exist, then what is lost by believing in God as long as it makes life easier'"First off, I want to start out by saying, as a new member, I am really impressed all of the responses and can't wait to explore some of your discussions.
But now to respond to as much as possible. It is hard for me to pin this question down to…"
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