"But isn't the first premise going against what Robert is asserting? One could give the premise that the universe has always existed and thus, had no cause. Not that Robert really believes that, but that it is a comeback to a…"
"Nice! I never thought about turning it around on them! I didn't see your comment and posted a comment below about the tendency of creationists to just state "God is outside of time and the universe, thus anything I say about…"
"Some creationists counter the 'first cause' argument by saying that since God is outside of time and the universe, then he always was and since that is their belief they feel that they don't need to explain how God got there. …"