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Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?
Started this discussion. Last reply by Eric Diaz Apr 14, 2012. 18 Replies 0 Likes
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Eric Diaz replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"A friend of mine who is a retired calculus professor is also a young earth creationist...so maybe is not such a big distraction.....maybe the only reason the subjects started coming easier to you once you…"
Steve replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"When I was in school, I noticed that most people were either good at maths or languages, but not both. That doesn't mean that the ones were good at languages necessarily sucked at maths, but it wasn't intuitive for them"
Reg The Fronkey Farmer replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"Religion fogs up the mind and stunts the development of critical thinking. Viewing the world from a “goddidit” perspective removes the need to sharpen that skill as the more important questions that should be analyzed already have the…"
Tom replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"I don't think so. People tend to have the ability to compartmentalise extremely well, especially with abstract concepts like religion. Therefore, I think that if religious students want to learn maths and science, they will be able to do so to…"
Madeleine Loyson left a comment for Jon van Rooyen"Just look up Skeptics in the Pub on Facebook. You will see a very long list, but if you scroll down you will find Skeptics in the Pub Cape Town. Some impressive members. You should join. They seem to have meetings every month. Go for it!"
Jon van Rooyen replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"Hi James
It's sad that you had to conduct your explorations of the natural world in secret. In my view it is not just a fun thing to do, but it is absolutely necessary if we has an intelligent species are to progress in various fields of our…"
Madeleine Loyson replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"EXACTLY RIGHT!
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Madeleine Loyson replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"Religion colours and informs one's world view and how you respond to intellectual challenges. If you are brought up Christian (and I suppose the same could be said for most religions) that worldview colours your perception and inhibits…"
Helen Pluckrose replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"It's certainly not innate to me! I am a British atheist raised by atheist, liberal, academic parents who encouraged critical thinking, sent me to a private school and had me tutored at home in maths. I recieved excellent grades in English…"
Jon van Rooyen replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'""If they weren't limited by religious beliefs, would they still be indoctrinated?"
Perhaps not. I guess they would have the clarity of mind then to succeed. :)
"What parts of religion conflict with math?"
It's not…"
Jon van Rooyen replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"Certainly some interesting responses here.
I guess the question is not as simple as the one I put forward.
I would agree that a person's ability to learn something is largely dependent on the individual's desire to learn it, but…"
Len replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"I expect that if the font of all your knowledge was "the bible says so", then anything else (like evidence or reality) would tend to take a secondary position. And be dropped entirely if it didn't match what you already…"
diggerbanks replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"I have been told that Indian children are so bright because they hear so many fantastical stories from the Hindu tradition that they have less restrictive brain-networks. I know I am more likely to see obstacles to a conundrum than wander off…"
James Cox replied to Jon van Rooyen's discussion 'Would indoctrinated kids be able to grasp the fundamentals of math and science in school if they weren't limited by religious beliefs?'"Dear Jon:
In my family, I was the nerd for what felt like forever. Education, ideas, mathematics, sciences was not much discussed, mostly because both my parents had very limited education background. It was not really till I left home that anyone…"
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Yesterday was the possibly one of the worst days of my life...
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:18pm 6 Comments 2 Likes
Forgive me, but I need a place to air my thoughts. This is not a happy story so if that is what you are looking for, then I recommend you stop reading now.
I am housesitting for my uncle at the moment and yesterday was the day before my uncle left to visit friends in another city. I stayed at the house so that he could give me instructions on what to take care of while he is away.
The family cleaner brought her two year old son to work yesterday. I had only met him once before,…
Continue My story... at last!
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:06pm 4 Comments 1 Like
Ok, so I know I've been a member on TA for about a month now but I thought it's time to join the club, and share my story. :)
I grew up in a "good christian home". I went to church every Sunday. I even thought the story of Noah's Ark was quite amazing at one stage. My dad, still a devout christian, would take every opportunity he could to remind us to be grateful for all that god has given us. There are old photo's of me, as a kid, standing next to the nativity stand at the church we…
Continue Another scientific study indicating our moral codes evolved with us
Posted on June 6, 2011 at 8:38am 9 Comments 4 Likes
Sometimes one needs to account for a negative in order to reinforce a positive. The positive, in this case, regards where we get our moral values and "civilised society" ideals from.
The article shows that in certain species of apes, severe violence within certain ape communities can be found to be largely political and ingrained within the culture of a group. This to me, provides yet another good argument for the question that so many creationists love to ask non-believers; That… Continue
The article shows that in certain species of apes, severe violence within certain ape communities can be found to be largely political and ingrained within the culture of a group. This to me, provides yet another good argument for the question that so many creationists love to ask non-believers; That… Continue
Still trying to pass creationism as a scientific study in schools? Really???
Posted on June 3, 2011 at 10:57am 2 Comments 0 Likes
I'm completely gobsmacked that these creationists are so persistent with forcing schools to teach this non-scientific garbage. This subject has got old and tired and they need to accept that unless they can prove their creation idea as a theory (I mean theory in the scientific sense of the word), it's just plainly not science!
Why on earth can't they just let it go already? Don't they realise that teaching this doesn't contribute anything at all to science or the progress of mankind,…
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- At 11:53am on April 14, 2012, Madeleine Loyson said…
Just look up Skeptics in the Pub on Facebook. You will see a very long list, but if you scroll down you will find Skeptics in the Pub Cape Town. Some impressive members. You should join. They seem to have meetings every month. Go for it!
- At 6:32pm on June 21, 2011,
Tiffany Hughes said… - Thanks, Jon! =)
- At 9:34am on June 16, 2011,
Morgan Matthew said… - Thanks for your support!
- At 3:01pm on May 26, 2011,
Monica Salcedo (Monicks) said… - Entirely my pleasure, Jon. Better late than never, indeed. You'd probably like to know something about me, I'm always late, shamefully late. So, it's cool. Nice to meet you. :)
- At 12:46pm on May 23, 2011, Monica Salcedo (Monicks) said…
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- At 9:35am on May 23, 2011,
Robert Karp said… - I was born there. I'm a scatterling. It's still home for me.
- At 9:22am on May 23, 2011, Robert Karp said…
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