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Started this discussion. Last reply by Pope Beanie May 23, 2014. 40 Replies

A leading scientist has warned a new species of "humanzee," created from breeding apes with humans, could become a reality unless the government acts to stop scientists experimenting.In an interview…Continue

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Breaking the species barrier - thought experiment

Started this discussion. Last reply by John Major May 13, 2012. 4 Replies

Breaking The Species BarrierRichard Dawkins wonders: We've mapped the entire human genome; we've mapped the…Continue

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Pope Beanie replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"I agtree"
May 23, 2014
John Major replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"I think that's right. It's largely a cultural reason why some animals are treated better than others. I suppose the keeping of slaves is or has been part of culture in various parts of the world too, failing to trip ethical considerations…"
May 22, 2014
John Major replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"Mine too. Would it be ethical even if these humanzee were as intelligent as us? Ethical just on the basis that they were not himo sapiens and therefore property and not people?"
May 22, 2014
John Major replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"It's not a ramble. It's interesting and I think you're right. The ethics of eating meat seem to be if it's not human, I'll eat it. To me, this seems pretty shallow and owes much to the Christian standpoint of men having…"
May 22, 2014
Pope Beanie replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"That's true in most cases, and it's even arbitrary historically/culturally wrt which animals we eat. E.g. we westerners don't eat dogs, and Hindus (?) don't eat cows. Our level of empathy with specific animals informs what we…"
May 21, 2014
Pope Beanie replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"We share maybe 50% of our genes with bananas. That 1% difference with chimps accounts for differences. Imagine thewide range of differences among dog breeds, and they share exactly the same set of genes. (The differences lie solely in which version…"
May 21, 2014
Pope Beanie replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"I don't think full-on interbreeding would provide much opportunity for useful research. Currently we're tweaking individual genes in several animals, even fruit flies, for useful research on specific disease inducement and/or specific…"
May 21, 2014
Strega replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"Pay to have sex with an orangutan? Seriously? That's so bizarre. I'm struggling to imagine such a scenario."
May 21, 2014
John Major replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"But why base ethical treatment on the basis of intelligence? Would we treat mentally disordered, senile or infants differently if they lacked even the intelligence of a dog? Now we understand that we evolved and were not created and given dominion…"
May 21, 2014
John Major replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"The ethics are really interesting. I'm not sure we need to consider how we might deal with a new intelligent species when there are already other intelligent species in the planet. Should intelligence be our yardstick for the application of…"
May 21, 2014
John Major replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"Hmmm. You seem to be saying that if the creature's DNA is similar to homo sapien, they should be given human rights, which I suppose the right to life, to live free from torture etc. But aren't there already animals that are very similar…"
May 21, 2014
Andy Hoke replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"we (women) don't need another human/chimp hybrid running around. We may not need it, but it may be inevitable and as such have to deal with it. I'm not sure how certain the science is on the matter, so maybe it isn't…"
May 21, 2014
Lewal replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"We just need to do the thing to find out. Apparently it's effectively been tried, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if at some point in the last 100,000 years it's been done-- there are places today where you can pay to have sex…"
May 21, 2014
Lewal replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"I reckon if you've got homo sapien in you, you've got human rights. How many rights? Well, if he or she were as intelligent as a pig, I'd figure he or she would have the rights of a comparitively intelligent human. How intelligent are…"
May 21, 2014
Jaime replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"This pose an interesting ethical question: How would we deal with a new "emerging" intelligent species? Are we willing to give them some rights? Are we more prone to put them into slavery? David Livingston Smith explains that we are…"
May 21, 2014
Freek replied to John Major's discussion 'Humanzee!!'
"Michael Crichton wrote an interesting book on it: "Next". I think a lot of the human perception of intelligence sits in a person's ability to speak comprehensively. I doubt that many people will see a humanzee as anything different…"
May 21, 2014

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At 7:37pm on June 13, 2012, John Kelly said…

Hey thanks for the add.  See you around!

At 4:54pm on May 21, 2012, Ashley Bryant said…
Thanks for warm welcome! It's always nice to come across fellow vegans.
At 8:33am on May 5, 2012, Dogly said…

Thanks, John.  You are so patient!  Your points are clear and reasonable, but I do not think those with dominionist attitudes are even being honest with themselves.  I am going to try to gather news stories, articles, and letters written by pro-slavery advocates from the early 1800s to the civil war.  I expect to find the same arguments put forward to find slavery moral.  I think they will also say, "As long as the niggers are treated well, there is nothing wrong with slavery.  It is obvious that ignorant negro slaves and not like us humans!"  What is your guess about how similar the arguments of apologists for slavery, are to those apologists for carnism?



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