"Is eating an animal acceptable to you on the basis that it is a different species? To what extent does the animals' capacity to feel pain and to suffer effect your judgement?"
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Breaking the species barrier - thought experiment
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Breaking The Species BarrierRichard Dawkins wonders: We've mapped the entire human genome; we've mapped the…Continue
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John Major replied to Jules111's discussion '"oh god please help me"'"Arch, you make a good point about self reliance, prayer licks in when we feel we need a little help. Debating Unseen, for example. It had occurred to me.
Btw. I am your friend. I prayed for it."
John Major replied to Jules111's discussion '"oh god please help me"'"You got me! White was never my colour!"
John Major replied to Jules111's discussion '"oh god please help me"'"Arch, do we evolve to do anything? That I implies a purpose. Whose purpose? Aren't all the things we do, including prayer, just a result of evolution? Maybe our appendices will wither away one day, but cognitive development doesn't seem to…"
John Major replied to Jules111's discussion '"oh god please help me"'"Jules111. I am without doubt just talking to my subconscious even though I find it more comforting converse as if to another, rather than just chew things over. As I said, I think the roots may be in early thought development.
Similarly, but not…"
John Major replied to Jules111's discussion '"oh god please help me"'"If we've evolved to do it, can't be valueless can it?"
John Major replied to Jules111's discussion '"oh god please help me"'"I think praying is a healthy and natural thing to do even though I'm almost certain that there is no supernatural god. I have prayed and will continue to pray.
What we experience as consciousness is only a small part of our mental totality.…"
John Major replied to Kir Komrik's discussion 'Atheists Cannot be Moral Redux'"Arch it did get boring lol. Seems a long time ago but I formed the opinion that ethics was a great subject for forum debate but did lack a lot of traction is the real world. It seemed to me self interest ruled.
P.s. John Major was Prime Minister!"
John Major replied to Sagacious Hawk's discussion 'What Makes Us Human?'"lol, right on cue. I'm interested in ethics, wouldn't call it an obsession though. Another ill-thought out argument that perfectly illustrates self-delusion. Thanks buddy."
John Major replied to Sagacious Hawk's discussion 'What Makes Us Human?'""the less I see a difference between us and the rest of the creatures we share the planet with."
I agree. That's why I find speciesism ethically unjustifiable. Speaking as a veggie, I also agree that the self-delusion stops us from…"
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- At 7:37pm on June 13, 2012,
John Kelly said… Hey thanks for the add. See you around!
- At 3:56pm on May 27, 2012,
archaeopteryx said… I'm independently wealthy. Not really, I'm retired - I write, paint and spoil grandchilldren.
Here's an avatar yhou might prefer:
- At 2:45pm on May 27, 2012, archaeopteryx said…
I can see that he "friended" you - how did that go? And what happened to your friends list that I used to be on, and why did you change your avatar? Enquiring minds want to know --
- At 1:47pm on May 27, 2012, archaeopteryx said…
I thought we'd already done this long ago - what happened?
Trevor is back and challenging me - I avoided him this morning, as I wasn't quite ready to start my day, but as soon as I choke down this cup of coffee, I guess I'll head in that direction. After all, it is nearly high noon.
Funny thing is, he ran when you challenged some of his assertions, and never responded - guess he thinks I'll be easier pickings, what with his degree in theology that he makes sure everyone knows he has.
I've never felt the need to tout my credentials, as I'm the same person, with or without them.
arch
- At 4:54pm on May 21, 2012,
Ashley Bryant said… - Thanks for warm welcome! It's always nice to come across fellow vegans.
- At 8:33am on May 5, 2012,
Dogly said… Thanks, John. You are so patient! Your points are clear and reasonable, but I do not think those with dominionist attitudes are even being honest with themselves. I am going to try to gather news stories, articles, and letters written by pro-slavery advocates from the early 1800s to the civil war. I expect to find the same arguments put forward to find slavery moral. I think they will also say, "As long as the niggers are treated well, there is nothing wrong with slavery. It is obvious that ignorant negro slaves and not like us humans!" What is your guess about how similar the arguments of apologists for slavery, are to those apologists for carnism?
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