"This is your post that I was addressing. You cannot make the journey to the destination if the destination is not what it claims to be anyways, or doesn't even exist. Just about every form of Christianity, for example, makes specific, testable…"
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Dave Gibbs Jan 3, 2012. 143 Replies 0 Likes
Please do your best to respond to this post. I won't insult you if you don't insult me.Cause and effect. How can something come out of nothing? How could the very first thing that happened to start…Continue
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Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"We don't know that the constant force of gravity is "reactionary", for example. Other forces we have clearly observed are only those contained within nature. We don't know whether forces or principles outside of nature exist or…"
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Of course the universe has a cause. Maybe you're the one misunderstanding me?"
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'""I don't believe he exists" (note the use of the word "he" posits specifics about a god) is not the same as "no god exists and cannot exist", and by suggesting that it means any more than that you have created a…"
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"What you feel is the best explanation thus far. Nobody has even questioned that you are perfectly justified in holding to your favorite explanation. We're perfectly justified ignoring your explanation without even considering it as you lack…"
David England replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Dave,
For a couple of your points (time and material reality) you say that we don’t know if this is the only universe that exists, did exist or will exist. You say that many physicists are exploring these possibilities. I…"
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"1. None of the descriptive words you used better describe an agent. In fact, in all confirmable observations of agents (i.e. people, animals) these are traits that do not exist, and in fact, these traits are more likely to describe theoretical…"
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Unfortunately, "those of [you] who hold to the existence of the soul" worship and have worshiped hundreds of different gods, have hundreds of different, often mutually exclusive interpretations of the same gods, and can't even come to…"
David England replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Timeless (eternal) since time itself began with the universe.
Only our time. Beyond that this is a baseless assumption.
Our time? What reasons to you have for thinking that a different kind of time exists?
Spaceless…"
Artor replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"God then is also a vicious predator, a creeping viral infection, and the ravening maw of a black hole. I don't hear Xtians talking about that so much."
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Only relative to human understanding. Gravity has such an effect, yet there is no reason to believe that gravity, just because it has an effect, is a being.
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David England replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Dave, thanks for the reply.
Your statement is a clear example of the very misunderstanding/mischaracterisation I was talking about: your conclusion doesn’t even follow from your own characterisation. You say that something cannot…"
Dave Gibbs replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"To argue that an undefined god can be the starting point at the beginning of this chain is not useful. A god with no definition, no attributes, no character, no form, no description whatsoever is—what did Jefferson call many Christian…"
David England replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Nelson,
I appreciate your sentiment - I'm sure this isn't the first time this topic has been discussed here!
In the interests of clarity, I’ll make a final comment about what you’ve said and then let the…"
Nelson replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"I started to reply to this but, honestly, it's boring. (Not you personally Dave) The whole God of the Gaps thing is lame. If this is what you want to do then have at it. It hasn't worked for you so far so I'm not sure why you'd…"
David England replied to Isaac Turner's discussion 'A Question For Atheists.'"Nelson, thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
I think this question of the eternality/finitude of this energy is a very important one, perhaps ‘the’ important one. I…"
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Robert Karp said… Welcome to the Think Atheist community Isaac!
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