""Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away; they're privileges." -Carlin.
We have the freedom to do whatever we want to anyone or anything we choose. It is only in the framework of society where we see the benefit of not…"
"This is why I like THINK ATHEIST! I like the think part more than the atheist part. The people I talk to in Tampa accept rumor, gossip, speculation, prejudice, and faith, as equivalent to fact. When I'm told something as…"
"Rainbows, it seems to me, are no more an illusion than any other apparently solid object. Water droplets refracting light allow our eyes to see an object. With other objects the separate, far spaced atoms are not seen as moving…"
"@ Heather Spoonheim ---- "Because policing the slave trade created several rather infamous legal paradoxes - while, as dogly pointed out, policing of the meat industry is very effective." I SAID NO SUCH…"
"Thanks, for the list of animal myths. May I call you Archy? (Since I have become familiar with your genealogy, and philosophy, I feel I know you a little.) I knew the ones about mammals and birds, but not the length of a goldfish's…"
"The fact that, in the cases you cite, consent was not given, does NOT mean that in principle consent should not be required when using another to fulfill your own interests. You may not give " two shits" about consent. Stuff…"
"Unseen, People who use "beasts of burden" (who gets to dsesignate them such?) are people who exploit animals. Unfortunately, that is still the norm everywhere, not just in third world countries. Let's get back to…"
"All sex with animals is rape. It is still rape when a man is raped, even if he gets an erection. So, a physical, sexual response does not negate the fact that the individual did not/could not give consent. "
You are definitely correct. I didn't expect that type of response at all. I also agree, the real issue seemed to be that some people just seem to be incapable (or unwilling?) of understanding what the main point of my post was, that I had become aware that each and every creature as an experiencing subject. You can see the gap in the language used. Those who seemed most violently opposed to even thinking about the concept are also the ones that seemed to refer to animals in the most abstract sense.
I'm not a member of AoF yet. I'm focusing on recording my songs, and that costs money. :-( Didn't I send you a link to my myspace page? Here it is: http://www.myspace.com/thevov -- scroll down until you see a live video shot outdoors. If not, click on "videos" on the left panel, right under the avatar. It's a mix of funk, latin, and death metal!! :-)