"To me, the quote sounds like one of those crappy "proofs" for god's existence.
1. Atheists exists.
2. Without God, there can't be any atheists.
3. God exists.
But yeah, all silliness aside, I see what you mean. And you know…"
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Gabriel Garcia commented on Dave Mann's blog post 'Who Said It? South Park vs. Hitchens'"16/25? Shit, I need to do some more studying."
Gabriel Garcia commented on Morgan Matthew's video"Your God is in fact a projection of your personal culture." Ray and Kirk get completely owned on an ABC Night line debate.
"It's funny how at the end, when Kirk and Ray get owned, they just keep on saying what they've already said without answering the questions. And yet, they still honestly believe the bullshit they're spreading, hi-fucking-larious."
Gabriel Garcia commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Dave G: That makes sense. : )"
Dave G commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Gabriel: True. I think that morals are mutable, changing with society's mores and as the people in the society learn more and grow more. Ethical constraints are more lasting, so you might say that 'killing without cause is wrong' is…"
Gabriel Garcia commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Dave G.: But then we still have a problem. To us, it would be considered murder, because to us, sacrifice isn't a valid reason. But to them, it wouldn't be, because sacrifice was a valid reason (to them). So then we come back to the…"
Dave G commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"An interesting take on the morals of murder that I read somewhere (I wish I could recall where). If you define murder as 'killing someone without a valid reason', then in just about every society, murder is seen as immoral. The differences…"
Pam commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"I'd have to agree that there are no moral absolutes (not being well-versed in meta-ethics myself) because it's impossible to separate the act from the context. If I learned one thing over the years of studying literature, it's that…"
Atheist Ninja commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"People steal, and kill too, doesn't mean they think it's moral. I'd imagine every social moral is disregarded on a regular basis. Not to mention, half the people in charge of the oil industry probably don't believe in global…"
Gabriel Garcia commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Oh yeah, I thought so too, but I was sort of busy, so I was kind of hoping someone else would point that out."
Johnny commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"I do understand what you were implying; just thought the analogy didn't work."
Gabriel Garcia commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Johnny; sorry, I was just using a (poorly thought out) example. But you understand what I mean, right?
And yeah, that was the problem with absolute morals in the first place, I think."
Johnny commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"In regard to the oil tycoon... Ninja said "detrimental to mankind and consider it moral" - so I'm not sure if the mining and distribution of oil quite meets it. Detrimental to mankind, yes; but it seems hard to attribute a moral…"
Gabriel Garcia commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Ninja; you're asking the wrong question. Of course you can, oil tycoons do it all the time. Surely they know that the more oil they produce, the more that is used, the more environmental pollution that results. It's not really something…"
Johnny commented on Gabriel Garcia's blog post 'Can there really be moral absolutes?'"Nice post Gabriel. You make a good case for no moral absolutes. Do you think there are universal morals? Or would you classify this as too similar to absolutes.
From what I have read, and how I see it, 'cultural acceptance' dictates…"
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We make it so damn easy we get bored
Why can't anybody see what's good for you is bad for me?
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-Sillyworld by Stone Sour
"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little."
-George Carlin
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
-George Carlin
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
-George Carlin
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
-Oscar Wilde
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."
-Oscar Wilde
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
"Whoever said that opinions should always be valued is an idiot. Not all opinion are created equally, and most are made on the assumption that the person knows everything, or even the most basic of information, to be known on the subject."
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Can there really be moral absolutes?
Posted on April 2, 2009 at 6:18pm 14 Comments 0 Likes
In my last (and first) blog post, I brought up the problem that atheists usually have with religious people (that of, "atheists have no morals"). Emma Coomber brought something up that I agree with and have been thinking for a while now.
There are no absolute morals.
I think I can safely assume that most (if not all) of us here would agree that morals are created by society and nothing else. So really, is it such a leap to assume that there are no absolute… Continue
There are no absolute morals.
I think I can safely assume that most (if not all) of us here would agree that morals are created by society and nothing else. So really, is it such a leap to assume that there are no absolute… Continue
And you accuse ME of having no morals?
Posted on April 1, 2009 at 10:21pm 3 Comments 0 Likes
Something came up today during lunch while I was talking with a Satanist friend of mine.
It's common for religious people to claim that atheists have no morals as we have no god to derive them from and have no god to fear in the deviation from our morals. But then if you ask them what they would do if god wasn't there to punish them, there are times when they admit that they would act without caring about others or about the consequences of their actions.
So really, who… Continue
It's common for religious people to claim that atheists have no morals as we have no god to derive them from and have no god to fear in the deviation from our morals. But then if you ask them what they would do if god wasn't there to punish them, there are times when they admit that they would act without caring about others or about the consequences of their actions.
So really, who… Continue
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