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Christian Discussion Invitation

Started this discussion. Last reply by TJ Sep 28, 2016. 87 Replies

I checked with Reg before posting this, but if any mods feel it's contrary to house rules, I understand if it needs to be deleted.I've been a member here for more than a year, though I don't post…Continue

A Christian on the problem of evil

Started this discussion. Last reply by Gallup's Mirror Jun 29, 2015. 168 Replies

I'm new here, but I'm going to take the plunge and start a discussion. In the I'm confused about…Continue

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TJ replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Its been answered repeatedly. The standard used, is simply to use our ability to empathize, to gauge an action's impact upon others, and whether that will produce unfair harm or benefit. If you see the action is unfair, such as killing someone…"
Sep 28, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Hi Robert, it seems to me that you're jumping ahead of the argument. I'm not arguing that Christianity teaches this universal, "what is right" moral standard. I think it does, but that's irrelevant to the point I'm…"
Sep 28, 2016
_Robert_ replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
""....but if you ever, ever think something like child-marriage or suttee are wrong, then you are relying on a separate moral standard of "what is actually right."" No, you are relying on your cultural standards. Please enlighten…"
Sep 28, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Hey TJ, These points are irrelevant to my argument, which did not specifically mention the morality of the Bible at all. "
Sep 28, 2016
TJ replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"1. If we do not have a moral standard deeper than human consciences, we cannot make meaningful moral judgments.  We can make no judgements at all, about anything, without thinking.  You would not be able to TELL if a moral judgement was…"
Sep 27, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Hey Reg, yes, I saw that link and read it. (I read the Sunday School posts religiously, or, er, something.) I wondered if you thought of this discussion when you posted it. To me, the article seemed to illustrate what I'm talking about, the…"
Sep 27, 2016
TJ replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"David, The context is being shifted here. I am not saying that if it evolved it is moral, I am saying it is morality. I gave some examples in this thread, trying to get this concept across, I'll try again: In some cultures, it is immoral for…"
Sep 26, 2016
Reg The Fronkey Farmer replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Hi David - I think we both do a weekly Sunday School?? In my one I try to cover stories and articles about the popular more blogs from during the week. Here is one from yesterday. Science and moral intuitions."
Sep 26, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Hi TJ, I started to respond to this, but I just deleted what I had written. My short answer is that you're misunderstanding what Exodus 21 is about. (I assume that is Exodus 21:20-21 are what you're talking about? That's the only part…"
Sep 26, 2016
Gregg RThomas replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"@David Vogel: When did Allah die???  I can't find that anywhere in the Qu'ran. Did Vishnu die? All doG stories are just different myths upheld and retold by fools."
Sep 25, 2016
TJ replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Lets keep "yellow" for now. We all AGREE that a particular RANGE in the wavelength of light is what we agree is "yellow".  In different cultures, however, what is considered to be the most yellow, or true yellow, differs.…"
Sep 25, 2016
Reg The Fronkey Farmer replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"I have to admit that my answers are not the best explanations of how I understand the subject of morality. I will revisit later too."
Sep 25, 2016
Gregg RThomas replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Yea, me too...All Xtians are a bunch of dirty pennies...sounds about right."
Sep 25, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Just realized my opening line sounds mad, which I'm not. Perils of written communication. :-)"
Sep 25, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Alright everyone, I'm almost at the point where I feel like I'll just waste everyone's time if I keep repeating myself, but I was on the road a long time today and was thinking about this, and I think I came up with a helpful analogy…"
Sep 25, 2016
David Vogel replied to David Vogel's discussion 'Christian Discussion Invitation'
"Hey PB, apparently I need to be clearer in what I'm saying. Sorry. I guess it sounded like I was arguing against mercy for criminals, but my point, as I said to TJ below, is the same one I've made elsewhere, that I'm not sure how an…"
Sep 25, 2016

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At 6:15am on August 7, 2016, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add David.

At 4:18pm on June 21, 2015, Belle Rose said…

Hi David! I'm so glad you're here :)

At 3:46pm on June 21, 2015, Strega said…
Hi David, welcome to Think Atheist!
 
 
 

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