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Help! Prayer in School

Started this discussion. Last reply by H3xx May 2. 18 Replies

So all the parents of our kindergarten class received an email from a parent asking if anyone would like to join tomorrow before school on school grounds (this is a public school) to pray (as it's…Continue

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H3xx replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"If it's put on by the parents, then it is legal. The state cannot force prayer, but they also cannot ban it. You can pray in school. You just can't be forced to pray by the school, or by any association working with the school. You have…"
May 2
Andy Hoke replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Follow the money. If public funds of any kind end up advocating religion, the First Amendment throws up."
May 1
Andy Hoke replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"When you consider how much money goes into public education, any allotment of (expensive) time is in fact injurious to (tax paying) atheists."
May 1
Unseen replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Impressions may be troublesome, but they aren't necessarily illegal. If a court decides that a principle in a public school leads a prayer at a school assembly is unconstitutional, it may leave the impression with some that the government hates…"
May 1
David Diamond replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"The court’s have ruled that government-fostered prayers are unconstitutional – those led, required, sanctioned, scheduled or suggested by officials.  Having this group on school grounds easily gives the tacit impression that this…"
May 1
matt.clerke replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"The arrogance of some people is just astounding."
May 1
matt.clerke replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Well they do believe in fairy tales after all...."
May 1
Gary replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"yeah, I can see them ignoring rules as irritating. "
May 1
David Diamond replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Hi Gary, I wasn't trying to stop them because I don't believe. My concern was more of a legal nature. Can they do such a thing?  Can a parent organize a prayer group on public school grounds? I still don't know the answer. But…"
May 1
Gary replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"David, I mean this in the most respectful way possible.  Don't you think maybe you trying to stop them because you don't believe is very similar to them making you pray  because they do believe.  As long as they are not…"
May 1
Unseen replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Calling parents "outside people" doesn't seem to recognize their legal relation to their children. I do wonder how the courts would handle placing a huge blow-up of a quarter above the stage in the assembly hall with the "In God…"
May 1
David Diamond replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Again, I think it's fine if a STUDENT wants to do that.  But it can't be organized by a school employee or outside people, such as a parent…which is what this was.  Either way, it's done now.  Thank you for…"
May 1
Unseen replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"If a person wants to pray, alone or in a group, I believe they have the right to do so just about anywhere it doesn't interfere with legitimate business. The principal was probably out of line with that edict."
May 1
Unseen replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"Parents have the right to act on behalf of their children under the law, so in a funny legal way they ARE the children. I predict you'll have no luck stopping this as long as it's voluntary and students are not officially required to…"
May 1
David Diamond replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"UPDATE:  The Principal got wind of this gathering and advised my daughter's teacher to tell the parent that if they want to pray it has to be on the sidewalk, NOT on school property.  So when my partner took our daughter to school…"
May 1
David Diamond replied to David Diamond's discussion 'Help! Prayer in School'
"From what I read of previous cases, if it's STUDENT led, then that's fine.  But this was organized by a parent. "
May 1

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At 4:49pm on May 24, 2011, kris feenstra said…
No worries.  I'm glad you've taken enough interest in the site to want to post videos.  It's good to run a search before posting vids, but I'll be honest, the search feature is not always reliable.  If the worst case scenario is that we end up with extra copies of excellent videos, it's certainly not the end of the world.
At 4:34pm on May 24, 2011, kris feenstra said…

Ah, I feel a little awkward doing this twice in a row (I don't want to discourage anyone from contributing videos), but the Sam Harris video has also been posted to the site (just a few hours before you submitted it).  A lot of videos from celebrity atheists tend to go up really quick, so this sort of duplication is pretty common.

 

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At 3:09pm on May 24, 2011, kris feenstra said…

Hi David,

 

The video titled "Ricky Gervais on Noah's Ark" was not approved, but only because it already exists in our video library.  Certainly we have nothing against Ricky other wise (and it is a great bit).

 

If you have any comments or concerns regarding this, feel free to let me know.

 

Kris

At 11:52am on May 24, 2011, Robert Karp said…
Welcome to TA!!
At 4:46pm on May 23, 2011, Monica McGee (Monicks) said…
Thank you for adding me to your friends, David; and especially thank you very much for your kind words. I'm so glad you decided to join us, hope to see you around the community very often. I love it here.
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