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The Illusion of Choice

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jon Heim Nov 2, 2010. 2 Replies

I've asked Christians this question before and usually it ends up in an angry argument getting off topic or they haven't given me a plausible answer yet:So if there were a god doesn't it defy free…Continue

Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Gaytor Jan 28, 2010. 20 Replies

Before I begin my argument I believe it is necessary for me to give a background of myself.  I am an American born Taiwanese raised most of my life in Alabama and recently came Georgia.  I have lived…Continue

 

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Jon Heim replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'The Illusion of Choice'
"the reason is obvious. They are so self centered that they think every decision they make based on religion doesn't cause conflict."
Nov 2, 2010
Atheist Exile replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'The Illusion of Choice'
"God is the illusion . . . not choice. Of course, Christians won't admit that. Some will claim God no longer interferes in human affairs, so there's no longer a conflict with free will. Others will say that God answers prayers and performs…"
Nov 2, 2010
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The Illusion of Choice

I've asked Christians this question before and usually it ends up in an angry argument getting off topic or they haven't given me a plausible answer yet:So if there were a god doesn't it defy free will then?  If God is the three O's (Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent) as we define a God to be, then he knows what choices we will make.  So why even punish for the choices you make when the choice itself was an illusion and he knew what you would choose.  Why even have heaven and hell?  Or even…See More
Nov 2, 2010
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Nov 2, 2010
Gaytor replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"It used to be that god was here to explain everything. We shown that to not be the case. The sun rises because the earth spins, not because god makes it so. So why would you introduce or even entertain god in the beginning? You've posted that…"
Jan 28, 2010
Gaytor replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"Since the post notes the Christian Religion, I must disagree with you. The Bible lays out conditions that clearly lay the age of the earth out as young. That is not a position of science. The Bible lays out earthquakes as being caused by god's…"
Jan 28, 2010
Kirk Holden replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"Applied science is the application of scientific knowledge transferred into a physical environment. Applied science differs from fundamental science, which seeks to describe the most basic objects and forces, having less emphasis on practical…"
Jan 25, 2010
Gaytor replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"Welcome to TA Calvin. You dove right in. I can respect that. These things religions pose of morality is just naturally human.. Obvious as a human race it is better for us to continue the species by working together instead of killing each other. -…"
Jan 25, 2010
Kirk Holden replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"The Dalia Lama is on record w.r.t. science that he (and his followers) will relinquish any rational explanation from science for natural phenomena. To the extent Buddhists are following a process or using a tactic to achieve certain brain states it…"
Jan 25, 2010
elaine kilshaw replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"here, here. Love your reason and logic Nelson."
Jan 25, 2010
Ricardo replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"You say that religion and science are" both trying to prove the meaning of existence". That is not true. Science does not try to prove, or to find, the meaning of existence. Scientists are much more humble than that, and only try to…"
Jan 25, 2010
Calvin Tse replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"These things religions pose of morality is just naturally human.. Obvious as a human race it is better for us to continue the species by working together instead of killing each other. Naturally, Humans would develop the concept of religion and…"
Jan 25, 2010
Calvin Tse replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"I don't think I am trying to disapprove science (because I believe in Science not religion). And I to correct your point about me being supportive of religious faith, I am as godless as they come. Perhaps you are right and that I am running…"
Jan 25, 2010
Calvin Tse replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"Perhaps I am playing "Devil's Advocate""
Jan 25, 2010
Calvin Tse replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"Atheism is just as much a religion. Buddhism is a religion that does not believe in a God... but I'm pretty sure Atheism would have just as much a problem with it."
Jan 25, 2010
Calvin Tse replied to Calvin Tse's discussion 'Religion and Science.. do the two Coexist?'
"however, religion has consistently changed it's views and doctrines based on science. Take the Vatican for example. Yes, you are right religion is a superstition thing, mostly all of it.. but, yet as scientists we prove the existence of…"
Jan 25, 2010

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