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Stutz commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"I don't dislike the Christians I know and love in my everyday life, obviously. I do dislike that there are some opinions they hold that seem like they are the result of Christianity corrupting their thinking. I have a female co-worker, probably…"
Jan 20, 2013
Obfuskation commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"My first post gave my answers to the OP’s initial questions.  I want to take a minute now to comment on other impressions I’m getting from this thread.Regarding the bookThe OP claims to be writing “a book/blog for Christians…"
Jan 20, 2013
Obfuskation commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"I’m a little late to the party on this one, but I’ll throw my two cents worth in.  I have a couple of comments to make on this thread, so I’ll keep this post to just answering CAMERON W’s questions. I don’t…"
Jan 20, 2013
Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"The most annoying thing about books written by Christians who claim to have once been an atheist is that their books indicate that they know very little about the atheism they claim to have professed and very little about the flaws in the religion…"
Jan 20, 2013
Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"1. Jesus was illiterate, not omniscient.  He wrote nothing down.  He didn't even dictate his thoughts to someone who could write them down.  He failed to choose even one disciple who could write down his thoughts during his…"
Jan 20, 2013
Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM left a comment for CAMERON W
"//what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically?//If Jesus were an omniscient, kind and wise god then he provides little evidence of this.  At the very least he would have prevented centuries of bickering and blood…"
Jan 20, 2013
Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM left a comment for CAMERON W
"What would impress an atheist is a list of all the rational objective reasons that you once had for not believing in the existence of a god and the objective refutation of them that led to your conversion to theism.   If you really were…"
Jan 20, 2013
MikeLong commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"I agree - you were never an atheist. If you were, please give us details of your conversion. Here you are, an adult, rational, thinking atheist and, all of a sudden, you decide that, yes, there DOES exist a magical, invisible daddy in the sky after…"
Jan 20, 2013
James Cox commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"Consequently, I do not believe you, has been seconded. This ploy seems little over done. An ex-atheist seeking material for a book to help theists argue againist atheists? Hum. Why do you bother, surely your own experience, assuming that you…"
Jan 20, 2013
Suzanne Olson-Hyde commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"@Cam - Mistake No. 1 - Atheists don't believe in anything supernatural, and in that category comes your jesus, therefore don't need saving from figment of man's imagination. Mistake 2. Your terminology belies you, you have never been…"
Jan 20, 2013
Gregg R Thomas commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"Cameron, Go to Heaven and quickly please.  I hear there's a couple of pedophile priests going on Monday maybe you can catch a ride."
Jan 20, 2013
Unseen commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"Cameron, Why do people such as yourself (religious folks) feel the need to convert people into thinking the same way you do or adopting the same philosophy you have?   Is it due to insecurity? Well, gee, I'm an atheist and I know…"
Jan 19, 2013
Geoff commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"Cameron, Why do people such as yourself (religious folks) feel the need to convert people into thinking the same way you do or adopting the same philosophy you have?   Is it due to insecurity?  Is that elaborate imaginary…"
Jan 19, 2013
Colleen commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"Well said Cara Coleen. Cameron, As to your first question, I see no point in distinguishing between God and Jesus.  To me, they are just characters in stories.  I also see no point in formulating arguments against something that…"
Jan 19, 2013
SteveInCO commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"Diane touched on it, but if I had to summarize my wants as regards to the fact that I happen to be an atheist: I want Christians to realize we do not believe there is a god.  We are not "mad" at him or doing this just to rebel or what…"
Jan 19, 2013
Diane commented on CAMERON W's blog post 'Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens'
"You, sir, are right!  Besides my family of origin, I had missed being around like-minded people most of my life.  When I realized there were other people like me, I was relieved, surprised, and elated."
Jan 19, 2013

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Ex-Athiest writing a book on how to save you godless heathens

Posted on January 17, 2013 at 2:25pm 80 Comments

hi there friends. i am an ex athiest and im a putting togethter a book/blog for christians about understanding and then saving athiests. I PROMISE, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAVE YOU! but i would greatly appreciate your input.

like i said i used to be an athiest. actually i was more of an anti-christian. i was very thorough wile compiling my arsenal of anti-christian material, and was very articulate when fighting christians. i had a long list of great arguments against christianity, but i…

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At 8:08am on January 20, 2013, Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM said…

//what is your best argument against jesus. not god, but jesus specifically?//

If Jesus were an omniscient, kind and wise god then he provides little evidence of this.  At the very least he would have prevented centuries of bickering and blood shed by writing his very own personally penned New Testament.  At the very least he would have chosen literate disciples who could have written stuff down at this dictation.  Islam had Mohammed who was able to write down what an angel told him directly.  Mormonism had Joseph Smith who able to dictate the translation of material written directly by a god.

//what is the most annoying thing about christians? or what do you dislike about christians?//

Completely irrelevant to whether what any of them believe is true.  Imagine asking what is most annoying about Charles Darwin or Newton or Pasteur or Stephen Hawking or your high school science teacher as "evidence" that the facts they have objectively shown to be true are actually false. 

But since you asked:  the most "annoying" thing about any religious believer is the nasty habit of slaughtering, torturing, bullying, disadvantaging and socially shunning people who don't believe the "right" things, as decided by them. The Jewish god provides lots of graphic examples of this type of heinous behavior for the adherents to follow.

At 7:49am on January 20, 2013, Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM said…

What would impress an atheist is a list of all the rational objective reasons that you once had for not believing in the existence of a god and the objective refutation of them that led to your conversion to theism.   If you really were that kind of thinking atheist then you don't need real rational atheists to tell you what these are:  you would know them.

For example: 

1.  All the reasons given for believing in the existence of a god are based on evidence that is at the bottom of ladder of reliability and accuracy.  There are better explanations to be found using data from more reliable forms of evidence.

2.  Things which can be conceived by the mind do not necessarily exist outside the mind.

3.  The use of reliable and accurate forms of evidence leads to consensus of opinion among those who have studied the area under consideration (scientists, academics, scholars);  the use of the unreliable and inaccurate forms of evidence, including logical fallacies, leads to diversity of opinion.  Religious opinion has a thousand fractures and maintains orthodoxy only by coercive means. There is no logical reason why any particular version of god or any particular version of a particular god is more true than any other.  It is more probable that they are all wrong rather than that one of them is right.  The religious believer always thinks that it is their version that is the most correct.   This commits the fallacy of ego-centrism.  The chances of any religious believer being correct are millions to one - that is, virtually impossible.

4. The characteristics given to the Christian god are logically incompatible with reality.  For example, the Problem of Evil.

5. Non-exclusivity of miracles and answers to prayer. The same kind of miraculous happenings, of personal feelings of ecstasy and certainty, and of communion with a god are given by the adherents of all religions as the reason why their particular version of god/s is correct.  Prayers to any deity are answered with the same frequency.  Miracles of healing occur with the same frequency, with the same degree of certainty and all have the same kind of failure and failure rated.  No severed limbs are ever regrown; no confirmed Alzheimers patient ever has their disease reversed; no mentally disabled person has ever turned into a person with average intellect, no person with cerebral palsy has ever been cured.

6.  All holy texts contain material that theists claim prove are fulfilled prophecies.  The same texts all contain "prophecies" that were not fulfilled.  The Bible contains some absolute clangers in this regard.

 7.  The god of the Old Testament is very different from the god of New Testament.  Why the personality change?  How can a supposedly unchanging god show clear evidence of change? 

 8.  The behavior of the god of the Old Testament is grossly immoral by today's evolved standards.  There is no way to tell the difference between behavior that is attributed to the Devil Demi god and the behavior attributed to the Yahweh god.  There is thus no way to tell if your internal conviction that something is "good" is from your version of god, your version of the devil or your personal and socially conditioned value system.  Equally devout people come to mutually incompatible conclusions about the morality of things. They each consider the other to be "not a real Christian". 

The New Testament god invented an extremely warped and unjust method of eternal torture for people whose only crimes are that they were born human and failed to believe the "right" things about the "right" god. If this god were real then there is no reason to worship such a monster.

 9. The Jewish and Christian Bibles are full of errors of fact and contradiction.  The Jesus god makes serious mistakes that show him to be ignorant of scripture (what he was supposed to have said in the pas

 
 
 

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