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Power of Prayer
Started this discussion. Last reply by Kir Komrik Jan 5, 2012. 26 Replies 0 Likes
Hello fellow atheists. I am writing to ask for some help. My parents aren't real religious but anytime we have talks about supernatural events my mom claims there 'has' to be more out there. She…Continue
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erik112358 replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Not necessarily. For example, the study I linked to earlier wasn't studying the effects of prayer so much as the effects of the patient knowing they were being prayed for. That is a legitimate psychological phenomena.…"
Darrell Mont replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"By the way, my favorite line of the article:
"The experiments showed that a simple "Thy will be done" approach was quantitatively more powerful than when specific results were held in mind."
No shit!"
Darrell Mont replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"The key is in the (sorry for the unnecessarily big word) operationalization of the stories. The author clearly had a vested interest in this article showing the sucess of prayer so he / she worded each story to imply something that isnt really…"
Ron V replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Kir,
Here are some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer
These, and others, have already been scrutinized- with a little searching you won't have to recreate the wheel."
Kyle Wilkins replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Yes! Thats where I remember reading it! I couldn't put my finger on where I herd that. In The God Delusion there was a nice study done that had 3 hospitals (same amount of patients with the same illness and same stage) and 3 churches (all 6…"
Kir Komrik replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Hey Brian,
Sorry, one more point. I just checked out that link. There's a saying that goes something like, "show me the data". And that is relevant here. It would be most effective to get the study itself and start…"
Kir Komrik replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Hey Dave,
I think this (your) is the line of questioning that will be most effective. If you read most of these posts here you can see that there are a lot of smart people here. But this level of abstraction, and focus on more general…"
Kir Komrik replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Hey Brian,
As a practical matter, I think the most effective argument for an adherent will be to attack the specific claim made; that is, the studies quoted. If you get into debates about other studies, or generic objections such as you…"
Kir Komrik replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Hey Brian,
If I can be so cocky, get a copy of these studies, pass me the methodology and I'll rip it up. You need to attack these studies if they really exist because I think there is an avalanche of studies on prayer that show that it…"
matt.clerke replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"I would recommend hydroponics with controlled indoor environments... that should be enough to isolate prayer from other environmental factors."
Dave Gibbs replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Do they pray for individual rye planted in the same patch? How do they divide up the prayed for and not prayed for rye without somehow changing their location and therefor the location, soil, water reception, etc. of the rye to where we can be sure…"
Albert Bakker replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"Victor Stenger once remarked what he thought would be convincing evidence with respect to these either failing or flawed (or both) prayer studies.
His answer was to the effect that it would be convincing if there would be a clear (statistical)…"
matt.clerke replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"I recall watching a few youtube videos regarding the scientific method and in particular, that in order for an experiment to be considered, it must be based on a theoretically plausible mechanism. The problem with these prayer studies is that…"
John Locke replied to Brian Hadnot's discussion 'Power of Prayer'"I'm pretty sure in The God Delusion there is a section related to this topic done with healing people in hospitals. It is very well explained in the book as well."
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