"# Harris' point is not that morality consists in what we value (whether arbitrarily or rationally)
In my opinion there's a confusion here between "worthwhile" or "useful" and "moral belief". …"
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Good day everyone on the Think Atheist forum. I hope your holidays have been good & treated you well this year.I'm here today because I need some advice. First, a little back story (my apologies…Continue
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Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Thanks Stutz, I appreciate your comments.
If that's what Harris says, then I agree with him. However, I feel that the terms "health" or "well-being" are a bit loose and imprecise and not the whole story. …"
Stutz commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"I think Harris' equation to "health" holds up. I can say that all humans will be made more healthy by doing x, but I cannot say that doing x is generally healthful. That sentence is valid, but it does not disqualify "health"…"
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Thanks for your comments Paul & Kir, they've been very helpful. The whole argument is taking shape in my mind and soon I'll write it all out in as canonical a form as possible. "
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"# We need a way to package this fact to the public that is simple and clear, and not a put off. I don't know if that is possible.
I agree, that's the situation. I need to expose it to as many different questions as possible, so…"
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"# I can say that all humans will value x, but I cannot say that x is generally valuable.
Who else is capable of valuing x? Animals are, also. Apart from humans and animals, there is no more valuing going on in the known…"
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"“I happen to think that this is a trick of language … that … this notion of “ought”, falls very much into Vickensteins notion of philosophy as a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of…"
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Kir -
# the semantics of “ought” and “is” are just a language substitution for “value” and “fact”but Given a situation existing in objective reality, ... IS ... FACTis…"
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Hi Kir, just to respond to the first part of your reply.
# So, as for a “true” moral system in which objective value is derived, I flunked.If you call it a "true" moral system in which objectve value is derived, I think…"
Simon Paynton commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Thanks very much for giving it your full and frank attention Kir! I'll get stuck into all that right now. "
Kir Komrik commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"when
Nice. That is why I’m into this.
My conclusion is that, since:
I can say that all humans will value x, but I cannot say that x is generally valuable.
We need a way to package this fact to the public that is simple and clear, and not a…"
Kir Komrik commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"system of ethics upon which we can derive the boundaries by which we all agree to live by, which is all we really need. And those boundaries are the basis of law, which never had anything to do with “morals”, trust me.
So, I guess GR…"
Kir Komrik commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"decided to post it here. It will appear in Version 0.7 (the next version) of the project I linked to above.
from On the Means and Methods of Mass Deconversion:
” … A friend of mine had considerable difficulty accepting this fact. These…"
Kir Komrik commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Hey Simon,
Here's my first pass on your doc:
This is a big deal, especially for deconversion, which is my angle on this. I’ve developed one based on the 4 Fs of biology and it is similar to the Singer view, but I don’t think…"
Kir Komrik commented on Branden Ballard's blog post 'I've left church, and I'm concerned with some things now.'"Hey Simon,
Sorry about that, the "atheists cannot be moral" thread was deleted by ... urs truly. Reading your link now ...
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Hello to all TA inhibitors. Hope everyone is having a great 2012 so far.
Late last month I posted a blog about me thinking about leaving a church group I was attending for almost a year. Well, I've left. I haven't ditched anyone's friendship since I still enjoy their company very much. I've told a few people whom I were close to in the church group about my departure. Some of the things they've said to me are things I'm very curious in learning about. One of my friends stated the…
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