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Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint
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Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"Well obviously it exists, it's a word, isn't it? Where does the word Kevin exist in space, and if it doesn't have to, why not?"
Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"You can't say Descartes is wrong without undermining your entire reality.
"I think, therefore I am." If you cannot even be sure if this is right, or an illusion, how can you trust your other senses? What if the whole world were an…"
Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"I'm not suggesting that there is some kind of "cosmic encyclopedia".
I'm suggesting that there is a fourth dimension (at least) of thought. Perhaps more. Music? Pathos? Time? I don't think the world can sufficiently be…"
Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"Yeah I was on the wrong track there completely..."
Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"Well, I wouldn't necessarily go that far.
It seems to me that it is intellectual laziness to accept monism on its face, without giving it a rigourous beating to make sure we are right, which is what I am trying to do. I haven't made any…"
Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"The physical world obviously follows these rules. If I drop a pen, it falls. The rules exist in some sense. Where do they exist?
If they only exist in our minds as models, fine. But, why are they allowed to exist infinitely in time, like matter, but…"
Anon replied to Keith Murphy's discussion 'Fellow atheists, what is your take on Dualism?'"Perhaps, but then why do we like seeing tigers in a zoo, or are interested in preserving them? From an evolutionary standpoint that runs false surely? In an evolutionary sense we ought to be trying to make them extinct! They're fucking…"
Anon replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"That's fair. I guess my problem is the idea that mathematical and physical laws, pi etc. don't actually exist anywhere but have effects on the material world is troublesome for me. Thanks anyway. Looks like I need to study more..."
Heather Spoonheim replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"Your concept of the table is just that - your concept/perception; a reflection of something that exists in reality. Our minds reflect reality with many patterns - but those patterns are just that - patterns, not a table.
That reflection is…"
Anon replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"But my other perceptions are perceptions of real things (or in the case of memory, things which happened). If those perceptions are "real" why is pi not?
We can say that we can not know if any of them are real, they still…"
Heather Spoonheim replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"Substitute '1' or '2' for 'pi' and go back through our entire exchange and you end up with the same thing."
Heather Spoonheim replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"For the 8th, and last time, concepts are nothing more than patterns of neurons (such as patterns of grains of sand) - a reflection of the world perceived by those neurons. That's it."
Anon replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"I'm not for or against any specific position. I'm not arguing for dualism.
You asked how pi would exist except as a concept. If mathematical concepts do exist we have to give them a place. If they do not have a place, how can they be said…"
Heather Spoonheim replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"If you have no example of 'pi' that exists as anything other than a concept then it is not an example of dualism. Let me know when you have some sort of example that supports dualism."
Anon replied to Anon's discussion 'Dualism and Monism from an Atheistic viewpoint'"I'm not going to say where pi exists. I am asking if it does. If it does exist then we have to reject nominalism."
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