Comment by archaeopteryx on August 7, 2012 at 6:04pm

I don't know where they are. If I did, I could say would, since I can't, I can't. Once located, they would, until then, they could.

Comment by Ron V on August 7, 2012 at 9:16pm

There are two types of abortions - spontaneous and elective.

With respect to the theist, they must concede if there is a god, it is responsible for more "abortions" (spontaneous abortions/miscarriages) than any human responsible for elective abortions.

With respect to elective abortions, IMO, the Roe v Wade opinion is worth reading.  It is still the case that a woman's risk of death is greater carrying a baby to term and delivering it than a woman's risk of death from an elective abortion (at least where abortion is legal).  An important issue, IMO, is whether a woman has a right to choose an elective abortion for any number of reasons, including (but obviously not limited to) the risk of death from pregnancy and delivery.

Personally,  don't like the fact that abortions exist- either spontaneous or elective.  But I think a woman should be able to decide whether she should take the risk, albeit small, of death from pregnancy and delivery (not to mention the other potential non-fatal complications). 

Comment by kOrsan on August 12, 2012 at 1:18am

There's just one kind of abortion: a good one. And I don't get what there even is to argue about a woman's right to abort. That's like saying "Do men have a right to bowel movement?" Fuck off and leave em alone already people.

Comment by Geaux Ghoti on August 17, 2012 at 9:19am

A friend of mine and I were debating abortion a few weeks ago. He's a Christian and, while he does not think the way proposed in the pic above, he is definitely against abortion. My girlfriend walked in and asked him, "If your god does not want us to have abortions, then why does he allow babies to be aborted?" To which my friend replied, "Because god gave us free will. It is his perfect will that we should CHOOSE to do what is right." She asked, "If his perfect will is that we should CHOOSE, why don't you let us choose?"

He had nothing to say...

Comment by michelliberty on August 22, 2012 at 9:25am

Well, unseen , in fact the book of bullshit called the bible  is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago, not 2000 years ago ,and when the roman pagan emperor  Constantine got superstition (religion) and  had the bible as we know it  put together this was done in  the 14 century again not 2000 years ago .

And as for abortion , I'm all for a woman's free choice over there own  body ,  but I'm  am  not  for late term abortions or abortions after  the first  trimester , i consider the fetus a child  by this time unless the woman's life is in danger .

Comment by archaeopteryx on August 22, 2012 at 10:27am

@michelliberty - Though I'm loathe to defend Unseen in any instance, I have to say, you're a little off on your dates, as was Unseen as well. The first portions of the Bible were written in 950 BCE, And Emperor Constantine died May 22, 337 AD., a bit earlier than the "14 century." You may be thinking of King James I, of England, who authorized what is now the King James Bible, to be published in English, in 1611.

Comment by Keith Pinster on September 17, 2012 at 9:42pm

@Unseen - "I grew up in Christendom and never once did I hear anyone enunciate anything like that."

Of course not.  Xians are far to self-righteous to actually admit to being misogynistic. Just because they joke (usually halfheartedly) about "the woman's place is in the kitchen", "that's 'woman's' work", "the man is the 'lord' of the manor".  There is no need to these delusional hypocrites to actually actually proclaim that men are superior to women and should control them, it is expected in these communities and households.  It's all very subtle, but it is there in every xian church and household that I have ever has the misfortune of being involved in.

Comment by Keith Pinster on September 17, 2012 at 9:49pm

@Unseen - "

@archaeopteryx

I am certainly no misogynist, as any woman with whom I have ever come in contact could tell you

Interesting that you used "could" (might be able to) instead of "would" (could be relied upon to). Whence the doubt?"

Still nitpicking, twisting, and taking quotes out of context, just to be argumentative, I see.  Must be a very satisfying hobby for you. :-)

Comment by Keith Pinster on September 17, 2012 at 10:01pm

@michelliberty - I have to say that your statement is almost as bad as the religiots.  How many women do you really think would use abortion after the first trimester as a method of birth control?  How big of a "problem" do you really think this is?  Do you really have such a low regard for women that you think they are emotionless, callused animals that they have no feeling for the fetus growing in them? Do you have absolutely no understanding of the human procreation process?  It is truly amazing that people actually think that we need MORE laws to control people's lives "just in case they do something you don't agree with".  It really is a sign of a person's pathetic desire to control other people's lives.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 17, 2012 at 10:26pm

@Keith - RE: "Must be a very satisfying hobby for you. :-)"

I can't speak for him, but it does keep me off the streets most nights.

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