Comment by Dienekes on September 17, 2012 at 10:35pm

@archaeopteryx - Watch out.  He'll be accusing us of conspiring against him again.  LOL

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 17, 2012 at 10:41pm

You get used to it --

Comment by Unseen on September 17, 2012 at 11:20pm

@Keith Pinster

@Unseen "I grew up in Christendom and never once did I hear anyone enunciate anything like that."

Of course not.  Xians are far to self-righteous to actually admit to being misogynistic. Just because they joke (usually halfheartedly) about "the woman's place is in the kitchen", "that's 'woman's' work", "the man is the 'lord' of the manor".  There is no need to these delusional hypocrites to actually actually proclaim that men are superior to women and should control them, it is expected in these communities and households.  It's all very subtle, but it is there in every xian church and household that I have ever has the misfortune of being involved in.

I think you're confusing a culture which has rigid and wrong concepts about sex roles with hatred of women. Misogyny is hatred of women. Hatred is a strong word. It's well beyond mere disdain and even further beyond being dismissive of women. Further, most of the Christian women I knew seemed happy with their role. You seem to be saying that these women were idiots, blind to the misogyny around them.

I'm not buying it.

I'm sure there are Christian misogynists. I'm equally sure there are atheist misogynists. All I said is that I never experienced anything in my experience as a Christian (Episcopal Church) that even MIGHT POSSIBLY have amounted to misogyny.

If your experience was otherwise, I don't know. However, when you talk about them being far too self-righteous to actually admit to their misogyny, it kind of hints that you haven't had much experience with Christians, or not with a broad sample of Christians.

Your phraseology indicates that the misogyny isn't unconscious, isn't the result of brainwashing, but is rather some sort of unspoken "boys against girls" conspiracy of some sort. That's nonsense.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 17, 2012 at 11:36pm

RE: "You seem to be saying that these women were idiots, blind to the misogyny around them.     I'm not buying it."

The Bible specifically states that men are superior to women and that men are to have dominion over them, and yet you're saying that women who embrace such a religion, even propagate it, aren't idiots? Who embraces domination? There must be a significant gap between my value system and yours.

Comment by Atwas911 on August 14, 2013 at 2:46am

of course... an aborted child is one less that is able to be thrown under the treads of this countries war machine when political greed and special interest meets murder proportions and children are sent to slaughter the children of other nations while delusionally thinking its for some patriotic reason.

Comment by H3xx on August 14, 2013 at 10:56pm

Oh, Dale, you have really swallowed that old school feminist Andrea Dworkin horseshit hook, line, and sinker, haven't you? Most modern feminists don't even buy that line about Christians. I'm an atheist but I grew up in Christendom and never once did I hear anyone enunciate anything like that. Where do you think those thoughts are expessed? Somewhere in the back room after the women have been sent out? Get real! We have actual disputes with Christians without inventing some that don't pass the giggle test.

You didn't happen to grow up in Southern Baptist Christendom, did you? because I did, and that's exactly the sentiment they have. Pro Lifers are anti-women. They don't want wives, they want brood mares.

Comment by archaeopteryx on August 14, 2013 at 11:15pm

I did grow up in Southern Baptist Christendom, though not a fanatic one - my dad rarely went to church, but my mother did. I went to the altar, as a teenager, and went through the "saved," process because my mother did - I had no clue as to what I was doing, I was only following my mother's example. I was even baptized under similar circumstances, following ritual, without knowing what I was doing.

Only later, in my late teens, did I realize what a mistake I had made, and walked away from it. By 20, I was a full-blown atheist.

Even then, once I was married, my logic, not my religion, saw the benefit of division of labor - the woman cared for the home and the children, while the man worked and provided the income - no misogyny involved, it just seemed logical.

I still have no problem with that, but if the woman chooses to "bring home the bacon," and the man chooses to care for the children, having raised four daughters by myself, I have no problem with that either. I still get Mother's Day cards.

Comment by archaeopteryx on August 15, 2013 at 12:03am

It's only if a man feels, it's a "woman's job" to do such and such, that it becomes misogyny. If the man and the woman agree on their roles within the family, misogyny ceases to exist.


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