Why do you think they want prayer in schools?

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 3:48pm

"In biblicle (sic) days the law was God." - I cannot accept that, as there IS no god, only men, telling a superstitious audience that there is, and telling them what he/she/it had to say, in order to control them.

RE:

"@archie
"But look at how much you need to write when all that could be said is "WWJD" or some other similar catch phrase."

Not really, Angela, since Dr. Nolte is a real person, who has devoted her life to teaching children, while your Yeshua (Jesus) may or may not have ever been a real person, and even if he were, no one who ever knew him, insofar as we know, ever recorded what he said.

But if you believe he did, please give me book, chapter and verse, where he provided instruction for children regarding:

learning to condemn
learning to fight
learning to be apprehensive.
learning to feel sorry for themselves
learning to feel shy
learning to feel envy
learning to feel guilty.
learning confidence
learning patience
learning appreciation
learning to love
learning to like themselves
learning it is good to have a goal
learning generosity
learning truthfulness
learning justice
learning respect
learning to have faith in themselves and in those about them

learning the world is a nice place in which to live.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 3:57pm

Oh, and when I said, "book, chapter and verse, where he provided instruction for children regarding:" I meant from someone who actually met him and recorded his actual words, not someone like "Mark," the anonymous author who wrote his "Gospel" 45 years after Yeshua allegedly died, or the anonymous author, "Matthew," who wrote his five years later, or the anonymous author, "Luke," who wrote his roughly ten years after that and clearly knew nothing about Palestinean geography (saying the townspeople of Nazareth, located in a valley, tried to throw their native son off a cliff, of which Nazereth has none), or "John," supposed son of Zebedee, the fisherman, who, writing 10 to 50 years later still, tells a totally different story of how he, his brother, James, Simon (Peter) and Andrew met Yeshua, having nothing to do with making anyone, "fishers of men."

So if you have such an independent source, you bet, I'd be anxious to know who that was and what he had to say on the matter.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 4:11pm

Just enough to prevent it from being, "Same-Same."

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 4:15pm

@Paynton - RE: ""afraid of opinions that differ from yours?"  - not at all Arch, I seek them out.  I just didn't want to take over the thread with a personal project."

Interesting, since the last time you approached everyone with your Jesus rhetoric, you were accused of being a theist and went underground for weeks. I don't believe anyone feels in danger of you taking over the thread.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 4:20pm

RE: "What Would Jesus Deduct." - according to one anonymous author who never met him, he was already asked that question, and replied, "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's; render unto god, that which is god's." It wasn't clear who his tax accountant was, but there's a good bet he was Jewish.

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 19, 2013 at 4:27pm

I look for intelligent critique of my ideas.  I don't waste time talking to idiots.  I make good use of my time. 

Angela, your stuff on empathy is really good.  I'm going to save it and use it. 

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 4:27pm

RE:

"But archie -

"What if I cant read and my child is sick and Im poor and homeless.

"where is Dr Noltes house and can I take my child there so that she can comfort and explain this to me?"

Given that same scenario, how do you take her to Yeshua's house, so he can comfort and explain it to you, and, what the hell, heal her at the same time?

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 19, 2013 at 4:44pm

@Angela - you're right, it does.  I think it's equivalent to asking "what is the most compassionate thing to do?" 

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 19, 2013 at 4:46pm

Perhaps it works for Mohammed too.  I've just started reading a book about him.  I have a friend whom I admire as a role model, and I ask WWBD? 

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 19, 2013 at 5:11pm

Having read your stuff, it probably just as well you don't waste time in self-conversation - people tend to give you funny looks, but then you could always stick a fake Blue-Tooth in your ear, smile apologetically, shrug and point --

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