Why do you think they want prayer in schools?

Comment by archaeopteryx on July 31, 2013 at 6:01pm

John, why don't you come over here: http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/ask-dr-bob?commentId=19821... - and repeat your story? Professor Robert, our resident Catholic apologist, is holding forth, and I would love to hear hear his reaction.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 12:01am

But instead of confining it to the churches, where by the very fact that their parents brought them there, clearly they approve, they want to teach your child and mine, in the schools, without my approval.

Comment by SteveInCO on September 18, 2013 at 8:45am

You sound as if you approve.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 12:36pm

Then which one, Angela, and who gets to decide? And do we teach those kiddies that the lies are the truth? And when they grow up and figure it out for themselves, as we did, what effect does that have on their ability to trust? What do they then pass on to their children?

You want to teach something in school, teach ethics, not religion.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 8:33pm

It certainly wouldn't have anything to do with supernatural forces. Frankly, I've always thought Jerry Springer phrased it best - he always closed his admittedly nonsensical show with these simple words to live by - "Be good to yourself, and each other."

Think about it, what more do we really need?

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 10:07pm

"What if I was blind and deaf?

"Is there an example?"

I'm not exactly Annie Sullivan to your Helen Keller, but I think I would start with a hug.

As for, "WWJD"? You can only say, "What would those anonymous authors who wrote the Gospels, who never met Yeshua (his name wasn't 'Jesus') SAY that Yeshua would do?"

To follow, Angela (and trust me, just because I don't necessarily agree with you, there is no animosity involved - that's part of my own moral code, that I didn't find in the Bible) is a Theist challenge posted on another website (one of our own TA members', actually) - please tell me how yours differs:

"Before you begin the challenge, ask yourself what you consider the probability that God doesn't exist. You might be 80% sure, 90% sure, 99% sure, or 99.99% sure. So the way this scale works is this: Let’s say that if you are at 50%, you are an agnostic, and at about 75% or higher you are an atheist. If you go too far below 50% you actually become a theist, since you are more sure that God does exist.

"Then once a day, for the next thirty days, say these words out loud, with as much feeling as you can muster:

“God, please open my eyes so I can see you. Reveal yourself to me. Demonic forces blinding me, leave me alone.”

"Then after thirty days, reevaluate what you consider the probability that God doesn't exist. If the number goes down significantly, that might be evidence that you live in World B. If it doesn't, that might be evidence you live in World A."

If it doesn't involve the supernatural, it might be worth considering, but if it ain't Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny (up to the age of 7), don't ask me to teach it to a child.

"What would Jesus do, Johnny?"
"Who's Jesus, Teacher?

"Well, he was a man that some people who never met him, say that he lived a perfect life.
"If they never met him, Teacher, how do they know?"
"Guess what, Kiddies? It's time for recess!

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 11:02pm

Angela, no one know who Yeshua (Jesus) is/was, or even IF he was - at best, they only know what those who never met him say he was.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 11:04pm

Oh, and while I can't speak for largely secular Australia, in the US, there ARE no school chaplains in public schools, our Constitution forbids mixing State functions with religious ones.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 11:47pm

If we don't know the philosophy came from Yeshua, and we don't, why would anyone want to tell a child it did? Why not just express it as a good idea, rather than an idea we were told by an anonymous author which may have come from someone named Yeshua, who may, or may not have lived?

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 18, 2013 at 11:58pm

Why not make a list - leaving out beating money-changers with whips and killing a fig tree because it didn't have any figs on it when he was hungry - of all of the positive things that someone whose names we don't know, wrote that they believed Yeshua, if he ever existed, may or may not have said, and just present them as good ideas to live by?

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