Though dumb as dirt (what does THAT say about Harvard graduates?) even "W" wasn't THAT stupid --!
I would rather have 'Mutually Assured Reasonable Happiness'.
Why is it that when people argue that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary, they never bother to ask whether the entire war was necessary in the first place? Had the Japanese stayed home and conducted tea ceremonies and Zen meditation rather than invading China, New Guinea, The Philippines, and elsewhere, and had they not engaged in the various well-documented war crimes against both civilians and prisoners of war—not to mention the attack on Pearl Harbor—there would never have been a Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@strega watched video. My running thought is yikes. I know it was written as a farce but yike. At least the prime minister thought about consequences of the red button.
Unseen, are you saying we should lower ourselves to the level of our enemies?
Absolutely not. We bear some shame for how we handled the end of the war, they bear the BLAME for starting it.
I never said they didn't, just that dropping the bombs was unnecessary - we had already won the war and Japan was on it knees.
It would likely have taken over a year and a million casualties on both sides to have invaded Japan. And while we were bogged down in that mess, the Soviet Union might have absorbed Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe.
From what I've read - and admittedly, I don't have the sources at my fingertips - in private negotiations, the Japanese had already agreed to surrender. There were conditions to which the US weren't agreeable, and so the bombs were dropped, both to speed things along, and to send a message of warning to the world.
A demonstration of the power of the nuclear weapons might have been arranged. Still, that's Monday morning quarterbacking.
You're right, though. Ending the war with the nuclear attacks did save American lives, and at the end of a long and dreadful war, it would have been hard then to have told the American public that "We're going to sacrifice a lot more American lives in the interest of saving a lot of Japanese lives."
archaeoperyx, can you imagine how well that would have gone over?
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