The Vietnam war started because the French were getting their asses kicked out of a country they were exploiting and had no right to colonize in the first place, but because we and they both belonged to NATO, we felt treaty-bound to support them, so we sent in advisors to train the S. Vietnamese troops to hold their own, along with a shitload of weapons, but hungry men fight harder than ones that are well-fed.
Then, the French pulled out and left us to it, and near the end, De Gaul had the unmitigated Gaul to criticize our involvement! The French haven't involved themselves in a war since their white flag factory burned down.
If you're literally talking about when the Vietnam war started, it started long before the US got involved.
De Gaul had the unmitigated Gaul to criticize our involvement! The French haven't involved themselves in a war since their white flag factory burned down.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." — General Norman Schwarzkopf
The Vietnam war started because the US foolishly demanded that the weakened European imperial states make a disorderly withdrawal from their colonies. Such is the foolishness of dogmatic anti-imperialism. The French fought communist rebels in Indochina until they ran out of foreign blood to sacrifice. At that point the US anointed its logical, yet probably erroneous, domino theory, assuming that if Vietnam fell to the communist it would cause a domino effect ensuring communist dominance over the population and resource rich south east Asia, and most likely India and then Persia and the Arab countries.
I wish Christopher Hitchens were still alive so he could put all you pacifists and isolationists in your place; preferably, a Syrian prison.
To my dismay, I only have time for hit-and-run, ad hominem attacks. Good night.
Gosh, I'm sure I speak for everyone, Dave, when I say I'm sorry to see you rush off --
UnOne - I like that!
I wish Christopher Hitchens were still alive so he could put all you pacifists and isolationists in your place
“If the counsel of the peaceniks had been followed, Kuwait would today be the nineteenth province of Iraq. Bosnia would be a trampled and cleansed province of Greater Serbia, Kosovo would have been emptied of most of its inhabitants, and the Taliban would still be in power in Afghanistan. Yet nothing seems to disturb the contented air of moral superiority of those that intone the "peace movement".” ― Christopher Hitchens, The Quotable Hitchens from Alcohol to Zionism: The Very Best of Christopher Hitchens
“Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the Gun down.” ― Malcolm X
“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.” ― George Orwell
“Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who do not.” ― Thomas Jefferson
"Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …” ― George Orwell
"(S)o-called peace propaganda is just as dishonest and intellectually disgusting as war propaganda. Like war propaganda, it concentrates on putting forward a ‘case’, obscuring the opponent’s point of view and avoiding awkward questions.” ― George Orwell
@Milos - yeah, but the Afghans had a chance o practice on the Russians, and that's a tough crowd to play to!
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