Comment by Warren on September 9, 2013 at 12:26pm

Also, "Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac." - George Orwell

Comment by Unseen on September 9, 2013 at 3:05pm

"War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it." - George Orwell

So is that why this "war" (it really isn't) apparently won't happen? 

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on September 9, 2013 at 3:21pm

@Unseen;

"later on there will be the problem, if Assad loses, of keeping them out of the hands of Al Qaeda and their ilk."

Maybe diplomacy might be a better way to go...like joining with the Russians and trading with both sides for the chemical weapons in exchange for items they want.

Comment by Warren on September 9, 2013 at 3:22pm

If we go through with the threat of dropping bombs on another country, isn't regarded as a act of war? Just because we don't see directly what happens to them doesn't make it not happen to them, the destruction is real to them and loss of life. And as I previously tried to point out, some of them will justifiably take that war to our streets, I hope you won't be surprised by that. A certain former mayor from NYC I bet still doesn't get the connection. The people that are in line to profit from this are still banging the war drums in DC.

Comment by Unseen on September 9, 2013 at 3:42pm

@Gregg R Thomas

Maybe diplomacy might be a better way to go...like joining with the Russians and trading with both sides for the chemical weapons in exchange for items they want.

They're talking now about putting the weapons under international supervision to keep them from being used, which gets us partway to destroying them. This seems to be a Russian proposal.

Comment by Unseen on September 9, 2013 at 3:46pm

@Warren E Jappe

If we go through with the threat of dropping bombs on another country, isn't regarded as a act of war? Just because we don't see directly what happens to them doesn't make it not happen to them, the destruction is real to them and loss of life. And as I previously tried to point out, some of them will justifiably take that war to our streets, I hope you won't be surprised by that. A certain former mayor from NYC I bet still doesn't get the connection. The people that are in line to profit from this are still banging the war drums in DC.

Using chemical weapons is a crime against humanity and an act of war. 

What Obama is proposing isn't really what the weapon mongers really would want and, surprisingly, the party dedicated to serving the war industries, the GOP, seems to be the more dead set against this action, so maybe vote Republican next time.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 9, 2013 at 3:50pm

Those are insightful quotations from Orwell, Warren, but I want to enter my own personal observation, and that simply is that in any war, the first step is nearly always to de-humanize the enemy ("Japs," "Chinks," "Gooks," "Krauts," "Towel-Heads, "Camel-Jockey's," etc.).

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 9, 2013 at 4:12pm

RE: "putting the weapons under international supervision" - frankly, I think that sounds like a damned good idea!. I think Obama should consider that, instead of maintaining that because the Russians thought of it first, it's not a good idea. "Each man is my master (teacher) in that I may learn from him."

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 9, 2013 at 4:22pm

RE: "so maybe vote Republican next time" - what with Global Warming and all, it will likely be a long time before hell freezes over, so for me, that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

Are the Repubs really opposed to the idea on moral/humane grounds, or is it that their FatCat puppet masters just haven't seen a way to make a buck out of it, or is it the continued Republican opposition to everything Obama proposes? Where's Dick "Halliburton" Cheney when we need him? Oh, that's right, it's hunting season - wonder if he's having trouble finding anyone to go hunting with him?

Comment by Unseen on September 9, 2013 at 5:28pm

@archie

Those are insightful quotations from Orwell, Warren, but I want to enter my own personal observation, and that simply is that in any war, the first step is nearly always to de-humanize the enemy ("Japs," "Chinks," "Gooks," "Krauts," "Towel-Heads, "Camel-Jockey's," etc.).

Okay, but I haven't encountered any such terms being used by the administration, have you? I haven't heard anything like that at all anywhere, but then again I don't go to redneck bars.

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