I say the comment oof inaccurate fossil dating because they have found numerous fossilized trees that are standing straight through 75 feet of layered rock. This would mean it would be standing for millions and millions of years. http://www.kent-hovind.com/evolution/evolution.htm (use ctrl+F)
They have also found a verticle complete fossil of a whale. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/whale.html
Polystrate is not a standard geological term. It is a creationist term. Regardless, "upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano."
The "whale of a tale" story you linked says it all. "...the skeleton was not found in a vertical position, but was lying at an angle 50 to 40 degrees from horizontal. ...although at this angle, the whale skeleton lay parallel to the bedding of strata which at one time was the sea floor on which the dead whale fell after its death. ...It appears the creationists repeating this whale-of-a-tale ...either failed to check their facts or didn't want a good story to be ruined by the facts. ...What they claim to be God's truth is nothing more than an urban folktale used to validate personal religious beliefs."
@ Jewelz. So you explained away most of the whale story. But you still didn't prove away the trees. the trees, if what you say happened, would have been destroyed, fallen over etc. not fossilized still standing up.
@ Cleetus. First, that isn't a child's refusal. It's logic. Proof you can't provide. You didn't even claim you had that proof. You just said it would take a long time to provide. Admit it. You can't find the proof I ask for.
Second, I didn't know we were taking this into the new testament. I'm sorry, my bad. I thought we were talking about creation. Whose going off topic now? But if you must know Jesus was both fully man and fully God. Jesus was placed in Mary's womb, kind of like putting a fertialized egg into a suragate mother. Therefore Jesus may not have Mary's DNA but was also not a clone. Although Jesus would have shared the Jewish traits since he is told to be jewish throughout the bible and other historical accounts. Also it wasn't just Mary that claimed to be impregnated. If you recall Joseph was going to divorse her until he was told she was impregnated by God. He had no motivation to lie and say she didn't cheat on him. In fact he had more motivation to divorse her as her "cheating" would have brought humiliation and rejection for Joseph if he stayed with her. It was also claimed by Mary's cousin. It wasn't just a teenager trying to save her butt.
@Bob - you do realize that Kent Hovind is in prison now serving time for felony fraud, right? Also that he never was a doctor of any sort? Furthermore that he's a pathological liar who's taken Christians for literally hundreds of thousands of dollars? I'm just wondering if you actually know who you are using as a source there.
@ BoB I apologize. I actually just reread your comment to me and I did not realize how ignorant you were about biology. You might want to go to the library and get a book about animal adaptations. You might try a middle school general science text because it starts pretty basic. It will explain that there are different habitats, diets, survival strategies, relationships, etc that make all species different. I think you mistakenly believe there would be only one "best" species. That sure would have made it easy for Noah, am I right? See, most animals and plants do "specific" things. This is what makes them a species. Pigs, for example, do not compete with wolves. They eat different things and live in different shelters. There are different kinds of pigs because some are adapted to living in forests. Perhaps they are smaller allowing them to better survive living in underbrush. Some have big ears that allow them to live in hot climates. I hope this makes sense to you.
You see, Scientists, and most educated people understand the earth is actually very old. Many changes have occurred in the last 5 billion years. These changes are what favor certain adaptations in the genes of an organism. This is very complicated and before I continue, I want you to first read about how the earth is made of very different places called ecosystems.
@BoB As an example of how a tree might petrify in an upright position quickly (since you didn't mention which fossil tree or forest you were referring to), the 1980 Mt St Helens eruption ripped thousands of trees out of the hillside and deposited them in spirit lake. They sank roots down and landed in volcanic ash sediment in the toxic water where they petrify in an upright position creating a future fossil forest.
I second Scarlette's advice. I'd love for you to make a post with all your questions. We would be happy to clear up any misunderstandings you have about evolution if you really are interested in learning.
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