Virginia Steen McIntyre got her PhD on that dig down in Mexico. She wasn't the lead on the site, she was a graduate student working under several other archaeologists. Not all 3 dating techniques came to the same age, there was a wide range and she was adamant about going with the oldest one while the lead archaeologists felt the dating needed further review because of the discrepancy. You should read what her colleagues have to say, the original papers produced by the various teams involved, and stop getting your science from a Charlton Heston documentary.
Java man was wrong, that's true, and Piltdown man was a hoax - both corrected for and both a big part of the reason that many scientists are far more methodical about dealing with new findings these days. If you want to deal with any one of these claims, like how Steen-McIntyre destroyed her OWN career, pick one and I'll go dig up the sources for you. I will ask, however, that you provide your sources as well, because it sounds to me like you've been watching too much youtube.
Scientists deal in science, not fairy tales or fantasy findings and that is not sad at all. Most of these "forbidden archeology" guys are creationists who just like to pull up already debunked non-issues and make out like science is a big conspiracy.
Whew...did'nt mean to strike such a defensive chord. Sounds like the same thing I've been discussing about "Don't do this", "Don't do that"..."do it my way see...I'm Rocco". It apparently is a matter of "votes" outweighing what a graduate student is saying.
So, I guess I shouldn't hear out what a graduate student discovers...that just doesn't sound right. As far as Charlton Heston and the video...again why so defensive. I especially appreciated the facts about Glen Rose, the lifting of the strata, to discover more of the same footprints. I don't accept the Xtians' view of man's beginning 6,000 years ago or what may be prevalent among certain segments of scientists sticking to 100,000 years ago. Is it just the fact that it's Heston that bothers you?
By the way, it was Heston that came up with these discoveries. It was others scientists that were discussed, some viewed, in the documentary. Have you seen it? Again, have YOU seen it?
Whew, I can see why I see so many frustrated comments here. People just aren't capable of discerning what is written. I NEVER advocated creationism...you know that so why try to put words into my words? I'm an atheist and I view creationism as crackpot. I don't know, maybe I should type s l o w e r and use small words. I am NOT advocating anywhere a belief in creationism. We all need to be open-minded though about we have been taught is true.
Being open minded is indeed a necessity of any rational thinking person.
However making statements like i dont believe scientific proof of DNA evolution does raise some eyebrows...
Im curious are you a molecular biologist or studying it? Was there a reason besides a summary video that you discount one of the factual portions of evolution that is well accepted?
I'm not calling you a creationist, nor am I suggesting the Heston (a creationist) made up those claims. Several of the 'scientists' quoted in that video are creationists, however, and some of them are not scientists. It looks like I've hit the nail on the head as to which documentary you got your information from, however. I've seen it (because I have a friend who is into such things) and I've investigated the claims made as well as several of the people. McIntyre took her own path with the results, disregarding certain archaeological protocols, and still got her PhD from what she published. It was her crusade to have a 60,000 year old pre-clovis civilization declared as canon that destroyed her career, though, and several of her colleagues have written about the issue. Her publications were never 'buried' as she claims, it's just that no one took her seriously because of all the other information available about the site that actually did follow more conservative protocols.
Research some of the names in the video. Those human footprints alongside dinosaur footprints have been debunked several times, and the main guy who advocated that interpretation was another creationist. Just start doing some further research on what is claimed in that video and you'll find out how erroneous it is, if you actually want to broaden your knowledge of those claims.
You don't need to be a creationist to fall for Robert Bauval or Zecharia Sitchin and, in point of fact, their work actually disputes creationism as well. There are several best selling authors who make a lot of money off the fact that people like exciting conjectures that connect a wide array of observations (even if inaccurately) more than the boring dry reams of observations, math, and theory of scientific fields. I am one of those people - I love reading about Mayan Mysteries or the Annunaki and Ancient Astronauts along with all sorts of 'forbidden' archaeology. They make for really entertaining 'learning' and it's really fun to start looking up the credentials of the 'experts', 'scientists' and even 'institutions' that support the wild claims. Digging through for the large volume of information missing from such write-ups makes me feel like Nancy Drew working on the mystery of the missing facts.
Anyway, all of these sorts of things are actually what I call the creationist propaganda of doubt. They can't actually sell their story any longer so they do everything they can to undermine the credibility of science. This is why you find people like Heston narrating lame-ass videos about "forbidden science" and occasionally they find a discredited/shamed scientist like Steen-McIntyre to parade in front of the camera lending credence to claims about scientific conspiracies.
All of that said, most of the people I run into who are into such videos and claims aren't actually creationists.
It's extremely clear that evolution occurs in species. The lifespan of the common fruit fly is so short that it can be shown that characteristics occur randomly which are passed on to subsequent generations.
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