The human cost

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Comment by kris feenstra on September 23, 2013 at 11:49pm

Robert maybe you found it under the heading "First World Problems"

I find this doubly bigoted, even if we set gay rights aside.

A) Problems are problems, and no matter where you live, they can be big or small. Being disowned by one's family and/ or community, harassed to the point of severe depression and even suicide, or beaten to the point of hospitalization and/ or death, especially due to prejudice against something beyond your control isn't going to be much of a picnic regardless of socio-economic class or in which 'world' you live.

B) First and third world are over used terms stemming from the cold war (at some point the term second world seems to have disappeared from common use). If memory serves, they originally described the capitalistic, socialistic and developing nations (first, second and third respectively). There are people rich beyond my wildest fucking dreams in all three regions. There are people living in abject poverty in all three regions. There are people in between in all three regions. There are also people representing all levels of happiness and misery, fulfillment and emptiness across all classes and regions. In even proportions? Not likely, but the diversity is there.

Statistically, the so-called 'first world' has an edge economically, and possibly does overall for political and social stability, but we're talking very broad categories with large amounts of variation. The 'first world problems' meme is funny for what it is, but there is an arrogance to assuming that first-world living is somehow categorically better, that people in the third-world are categorically worse off, and a lack of sympathy to dismissing suffering on the basis of where it occurs.

Just sayin'.

Comment by Ward Cressin on September 24, 2013 at 4:58am

@Angela Evangelia - I hadn't noticed anti-lgbtq sentiment from you before but your statements in this thread are rife with hatred. Yet some of your later comments almost imply you might not have intended to be so vile. I have been told not to attribute to maliciousness what can instead be attributed to stupidity. Should I apply that to your comments here?

"Ive been dead more times than you could poke a stick at" This claim as well as many other things you've said here suggests that maybe I should.

Like this: " "My dad tried to beat it out of me" - Well he's lucky - sounds like he escaped the beatings." Your lack of comprehension of the meaning of "tried" here is amazing. The sentence means he was beaten but the father's purpose (to make the child no longer lgbtq) for the beatings failed.

I'm not sure if I should feel disgusted by you or if I should pity you.


Comment by Simon Paynton on September 24, 2013 at 7:05am

@Ward - some people have the right to be angry as fuck.  Have some decorum and respect. 

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 2:39pm

I had a friend who wanted to discuss politics and other things with me all the time. Generally, I would best her in these discussions fairly based on the flimsiness of her arguments. Her conversation-stopping reply usually boiled down to something like "I'm not as smart or good with words as you, but I know I'm right."

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 24, 2013 at 4:02pm

Hi Angela, It was never intended to have anything to do with being gay. I posted it because of the reference by Robert Piano to “A picture being worth a thousand words” at the start of the post.  It also refers to “The Human Cost” theme.

The girl in the picture is NOT (imo) saying she was raped because of what she was wearing. She is challenging the meme that some men have that women deserve to be raped because of what they wear. This girl was raped even though she was wearing clothing that could never be construed as “provocative” and so making a mockery of the bullshit idea that it is ever the victims fault. Do you not think so?

Comment by kris feenstra on September 24, 2013 at 4:33pm

kris - My comments had nothing to de with them being gay - where do you get that from?

Did I say they did? The picture is about homosexuality, but as I said in the first line of my post, I was setting the issue of rights aside. The broader point of my criticism is your 'first world problems' bullshit comment.

edit: revised because I think that what was said represented a shitty attitude, not that everything you said can be dismissed at the wave of a hand.

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:42pm

Wouldn't a picture with no words in it have been better to illustrate "A picture is worth a thousand words"? If you blurred out all the words, what would the picture be worth in terms of illustrating an idea?

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:46pm

@Angela, maybe a forum, by its nature, is the wrong place for people who can't express themselves. I mean, what do they expect?

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:51pm

@ThoseWhoDon'tKnow - "First world problems" are complaints like "I can't get the new Gold iPhone for two weeks" vs third world complaints like "I haven't had anything to eat in two weeks."

Comment by Diane on September 24, 2013 at 5:06pm

Angela, I  want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to reflect on why your statements bother me so much.  I found out some things about myself in the process.  


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