The human cost

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Comment by Ward Cressin on September 24, 2013 at 4:58am

@Angela Evangelia - I hadn't noticed anti-lgbtq sentiment from you before but your statements in this thread are rife with hatred. Yet some of your later comments almost imply you might not have intended to be so vile. I have been told not to attribute to maliciousness what can instead be attributed to stupidity. Should I apply that to your comments here?

"Ive been dead more times than you could poke a stick at" This claim as well as many other things you've said here suggests that maybe I should.

Like this: " "My dad tried to beat it out of me" - Well he's lucky - sounds like he escaped the beatings." Your lack of comprehension of the meaning of "tried" here is amazing. The sentence means he was beaten but the father's purpose (to make the child no longer lgbtq) for the beatings failed.

I'm not sure if I should feel disgusted by you or if I should pity you.


Comment by Simon Paynton on September 24, 2013 at 7:05am

@Ward - some people have the right to be angry as fuck.  Have some decorum and respect. 

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 2:39pm

I had a friend who wanted to discuss politics and other things with me all the time. Generally, I would best her in these discussions fairly based on the flimsiness of her arguments. Her conversation-stopping reply usually boiled down to something like "I'm not as smart or good with words as you, but I know I'm right."

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 24, 2013 at 4:02pm

Hi Angela, It was never intended to have anything to do with being gay. I posted it because of the reference by Robert Piano to “A picture being worth a thousand words” at the start of the post.  It also refers to “The Human Cost” theme.

The girl in the picture is NOT (imo) saying she was raped because of what she was wearing. She is challenging the meme that some men have that women deserve to be raped because of what they wear. This girl was raped even though she was wearing clothing that could never be construed as “provocative” and so making a mockery of the bullshit idea that it is ever the victims fault. Do you not think so?

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:42pm

Wouldn't a picture with no words in it have been better to illustrate "A picture is worth a thousand words"? If you blurred out all the words, what would the picture be worth in terms of illustrating an idea?

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:46pm

@Angela, maybe a forum, by its nature, is the wrong place for people who can't express themselves. I mean, what do they expect?

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 4:51pm

@ThoseWhoDon'tKnow - "First world problems" are complaints like "I can't get the new Gold iPhone for two weeks" vs third world complaints like "I haven't had anything to eat in two weeks."

Comment by Diane on September 24, 2013 at 5:06pm

Angela, I  want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to reflect on why your statements bother me so much.  I found out some things about myself in the process.  

Comment by Ward Cressin on September 24, 2013 at 9:37pm

@ Simon Paynton

"Ward - some people have the right to be angry as fuck.  Have some decorum and respect."

From your comment obviously I don't qualify as "some people" so I don't have the "right to be angry" about nasty comments. Please tell me how to qualify as having the right to be angry and/or express it properly. You've made it clear you are the designated person for determining who gets to be angry for this site. Do I need to sound more angry? Use shorter words so you get the point that I'm angry? Or just say something like: "Fuck you Simon"?

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on September 24, 2013 at 9:51pm

Im getting this from everyone - please show me where I have made an anti gay or similar type of comment. how am I a bigot?

I explained how the term applies to what you wrote here. Restated, you portrayed the fear, suffering and death of LGBT people as contemptibly unimportant.

Unless you consider the fear, suffering and death of ALL people to be contemptibly unimportant-- I presume you do not unless you are a complete sociopath-- then your contempt is for "these [LGBT] people". This is bigotry.

I'll accept shitty attitude but I wont accept bigoted. although i would prefer to be called a 'curmudgeon' Im not old enough to be one.

Contempt for a minority group has a proper name. You own up to the contempt, so you own the proper name as well, not the 'shitty' and 'curmudgeonly' euphemisms for it.

I had noted with a quoted passage in the linked explanation above that a bigot's resistance grows in proportion to attempts at providing such an education.

anyway in my self defence, you may not think Im a nice person but I am a good person. There is a difference.

I'll reserve judgment on your nicety and goodness as a person. I don't know you. But in this thread I see little sign of these qualities in your unrefined words.


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