The human cost

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Comment by Cameron on September 23, 2013 at 1:53pm

Unseen and Gallup beat me to a few things.

Those problems are not exclusively homosexual issues guys.

We all, heterosexuals too - face those problems just as much every day.

Right, they're not exclusively homosexual issues.  However, when lgbt people face these issues because they're lgbt and heterosexual/cis-gendered people face them for various reasons that are not related to their sexuality or gender identity, then there's clearly something going on.

if someone can stand in a public place holding a sign announcing that they are gay and they dont get shot for it - then they dont really have a problem - do they?

Actually, yeah, they still do have a problem.  Apparently you can stand up at a demonstration or gathering and declare your sexuality and yet still be at risk for anti-gay violence.  In fact, looking at FBI hate crime statistics like these from 2011 will show you the risk of simply being gay.  In fact, as the Southern Poverty Law Center points out, The rate of anti-gay hate crimes versus the estimated percentage of total US population represented by lgbt people indicates that this group is more at risk for being victims of violence motivated by anti-gay bias.  And that doesn't even include stats about harassment and intimidation.

So if you want to talk about hardships being something experienced only in third world countries, then you're not paying attention to what's happening in the first world.

Comment by Warren on September 23, 2013 at 3:34pm

I think that anywhere, and in the US that if you wear or behave in some different way that someone takes exception to, for either possibly religious, macho, self-righteous or just being a prick reasons they make other people do what is "normal" whether we like it or not and they for these primitive reasons don't respect other people's rights.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 23, 2013 at 4:04pm

I think it is a great demonstration.  We may not get the full sense of it from the photo. However if we were to walk past each sign, read it and look the holder in the eye the effect would probably be more profound, especially for those that seldom consider such issues.

It is always a serious issue if people have to take to the street for their human rights, especially when those same rights are enjoyed by the people that are homophobic towards them.

Sometimes the picture does say it better than words.

Comment by Diane on September 23, 2013 at 4:31pm

@ Angela - Wow.  I have wanted to make comments about several statements of yours over the months but I have restrained myself.  I looked at the picture and was deeply moved, feeling just a fraction of what those people must have gone through.  Quite the spreader of warmth and sunshine, aren't you?  I don't get it - You seem to have a need to be contrary and challenging when it does not seem reasonable necessary.  In this instance, it just seems callous and like more of what the people are holding up the signs for in the first place.  I tend to not make statements like this out of self-protection but this is just too much.  I guess you are entitled to feel how you feel and to express it, but I have to tell you much of what I've read coming from your keyboard makes me think, "What the &%#@?!"   

Comment by Diane on September 23, 2013 at 8:03pm

@ Angela - I get it that you just won't put up with crap.  I am similar in ways but I can't fight on every front at once.  I don't have that kind of time or energy.  I do admire people who stand up for what they believe in and speak their minds.  I guess we each have different points at which we draw a line in the sand.

Comment by Warren on September 23, 2013 at 8:54pm

BJ, "But what about individualism Frank?",

Major Burns, "Oh individualism is okay, so long as we all do it together"

Something like that on "MASH"

Comment by Ward Cressin on September 24, 2013 at 4:58am

@Angela Evangelia - I hadn't noticed anti-lgbtq sentiment from you before but your statements in this thread are rife with hatred. Yet some of your later comments almost imply you might not have intended to be so vile. I have been told not to attribute to maliciousness what can instead be attributed to stupidity. Should I apply that to your comments here?

"Ive been dead more times than you could poke a stick at" This claim as well as many other things you've said here suggests that maybe I should.

Like this: " "My dad tried to beat it out of me" - Well he's lucky - sounds like he escaped the beatings." Your lack of comprehension of the meaning of "tried" here is amazing. The sentence means he was beaten but the father's purpose (to make the child no longer lgbtq) for the beatings failed.

I'm not sure if I should feel disgusted by you or if I should pity you.

 

Comment by Simon Paynton on September 24, 2013 at 7:05am

@Ward - some people have the right to be angry as fuck.  Have some decorum and respect. 

Comment by Unseen on September 24, 2013 at 2:39pm

I had a friend who wanted to discuss politics and other things with me all the time. Generally, I would best her in these discussions fairly based on the flimsiness of her arguments. Her conversation-stopping reply usually boiled down to something like "I'm not as smart or good with words as you, but I know I'm right."

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 24, 2013 at 4:02pm

Hi Angela, It was never intended to have anything to do with being gay. I posted it because of the reference by Robert Piano to “A picture being worth a thousand words” at the start of the post.  It also refers to “The Human Cost” theme.

The girl in the picture is NOT (imo) saying she was raped because of what she was wearing. She is challenging the meme that some men have that women deserve to be raped because of what they wear. This girl was raped even though she was wearing clothing that could never be construed as “provocative” and so making a mockery of the bullshit idea that it is ever the victims fault. Do you not think so?

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