Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 23, 2013 at 4:04pm

I think it is a great demonstration.  We may not get the full sense of it from the photo. However if we were to walk past each sign, read it and look the holder in the eye the effect would probably be more profound, especially for those that seldom consider such issues.

It is always a serious issue if people have to take to the street for their human rights, especially when those same rights are enjoyed by the people that are homophobic towards them.

Sometimes the picture does say it better than words.

Comment by Diane on September 23, 2013 at 4:31pm

@ Angela - Wow.  I have wanted to make comments about several statements of yours over the months but I have restrained myself.  I looked at the picture and was deeply moved, feeling just a fraction of what those people must have gone through.  Quite the spreader of warmth and sunshine, aren't you?  I don't get it - You seem to have a need to be contrary and challenging when it does not seem reasonable necessary.  In this instance, it just seems callous and like more of what the people are holding up the signs for in the first place.  I tend to not make statements like this out of self-protection but this is just too much.  I guess you are entitled to feel how you feel and to express it, but I have to tell you much of what I've read coming from your keyboard makes me think, "What the &%#@?!"   

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 5:36pm

While I appreciate the plug, Angela, in this instance, the credit, if any, should go to the others, I didn't really have a dog in this fight.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 7:58pm

@Angela - RE: your son - below is the Apple Manifesto, created when Apple was just a struggling computer company - forget the product, get the message:

"Here's to the crazy ones.
   The misfits.
        The rebels.
              The troublemakers.
                    The round pegs in the square holes.

The ones who see things differently.

They're not fond of rules.
      And they have no respect for the status quo.

You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them,
      disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can't do is ignore them.

Because they change things.
      They invent.  They imagine.  They heal.
      They explore.  They create.  They inspire.

They push the human race forward.

Maybe they have to be crazy.
How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art?
      Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written?
Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?

We make tools for these kinds of people.
While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.

Because the people who are crazy enough to think
they can change the world, are the ones who do."

Comment by Diane on September 23, 2013 at 8:03pm

@ Angela - I get it that you just won't put up with crap.  I am similar in ways but I can't fight on every front at once.  I don't have that kind of time or energy.  I do admire people who stand up for what they believe in and speak their minds.  I guess we each have different points at which we draw a line in the sand.

Comment by Warren on September 23, 2013 at 8:54pm

BJ, "But what about individualism Frank?",

Major Burns, "Oh individualism is okay, so long as we all do it together"

Something like that on "MASH"

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 9:25pm

You're unique, Walter - just like everyone else --

Comment by kris feenstra on September 23, 2013 at 11:49pm

Robert maybe you found it under the heading "First World Problems"

I find this doubly bigoted, even if we set gay rights aside.

A) Problems are problems, and no matter where you live, they can be big or small. Being disowned by one's family and/ or community, harassed to the point of severe depression and even suicide, or beaten to the point of hospitalization and/ or death, especially due to prejudice against something beyond your control isn't going to be much of a picnic regardless of socio-economic class or in which 'world' you live.

B) First and third world are over used terms stemming from the cold war (at some point the term second world seems to have disappeared from common use). If memory serves, they originally described the capitalistic, socialistic and developing nations (first, second and third respectively). There are people rich beyond my wildest fucking dreams in all three regions. There are people living in abject poverty in all three regions. There are people in between in all three regions. There are also people representing all levels of happiness and misery, fulfillment and emptiness across all classes and regions. In even proportions? Not likely, but the diversity is there.

Statistically, the so-called 'first world' has an edge economically, and possibly does overall for political and social stability, but we're talking very broad categories with large amounts of variation. The 'first world problems' meme is funny for what it is, but there is an arrogance to assuming that first-world living is somehow categorically better, that people in the third-world are categorically worse off, and a lack of sympathy to dismissing suffering on the basis of where it occurs.

Just sayin'.

Comment by Ward Cressin on September 24, 2013 at 4:58am

@Angela Evangelia - I hadn't noticed anti-lgbtq sentiment from you before but your statements in this thread are rife with hatred. Yet some of your later comments almost imply you might not have intended to be so vile. I have been told not to attribute to maliciousness what can instead be attributed to stupidity. Should I apply that to your comments here?

"Ive been dead more times than you could poke a stick at" This claim as well as many other things you've said here suggests that maybe I should.

Like this: " "My dad tried to beat it out of me" - Well he's lucky - sounds like he escaped the beatings." Your lack of comprehension of the meaning of "tried" here is amazing. The sentence means he was beaten but the father's purpose (to make the child no longer lgbtq) for the beatings failed.

I'm not sure if I should feel disgusted by you or if I should pity you.


Comment by Simon Paynton on September 24, 2013 at 7:05am

@Ward - some people have the right to be angry as fuck.  Have some decorum and respect. 


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