The existence of God is not subjective...

Comment by Strega on September 23, 2013 at 2:47pm

Yes, well everyone knows if you rearrange the letters that spell JESUS you get EMPATHY-MAN.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 3:41pm

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Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 5:59pm

"Are there not better examples, in terms of current inappropriate behaviour"
Yeah@ what Strega said.

In attempting to demonstrate the effectiveness of Christianity as a shining example of empathy, which, if I recall, was our subject of contention, one must look at the entire history of the sect, as using only current examples says little about the history of the subject, as in, "Well, in the last five minutes, no one has killed, tortured, or raped anyone in the name of Yeshua, so that conclusively proves that Christianity is an excellent example of empathy!"

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 6:04pm

"It represtents what happens and what people will do when lack of empathy becomes endemic thoughout whole populations.

"What do you think?"

I think that using Christianity as a good example of empathy has had 2013 years to demonstrate its effectiveness, and so far, it has been found extremly lacking - let's let another 2013 years go by, and if it's effectiveness has improved, feel free to say, "I told you so!"

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 6:11pm

"But first i want to say that I dont agree with what they did but I think I can see what they were beginning to see and that is - when the human being is not cultured it operates on a primitive level. The missionaries would have believed something like, 'if we can civilize them, they will be less like an animal'"

Why? We Humans are quite likely the least happy of all of the other animals.

"they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it."

Sounds to me like a sweet way to live --

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 7:20pm

You once remarked that I reminded you of an (obnoxious) older brother - ok, so you didn't say, "obnoxious," but I could hear you thinking it, so from that point of view, you shouldn't feel it overly patronizing (because that's what older brothers do) when I say I think of you as a misguided little sister. If you want to teach ethics, I have no objection to your doing that, or advocating it, if you don't intend doing it yourself, but look to all of the great philosophies and choose from among them, that which you feel best fits our times, mention Yeshua and the "Golden Rule" attributed to him by anonymous writers who never met him, in passing, making sure to mention all of the myriad of others who said something similar thousands of years before he ever came along, if he ever actually came along.

You said earlier:

"So why should anyone trust men if they're so easily fooled?....Im more cautious of stupid men than I am of stupid Christians arche."

Exactly, and who wrote the Gospels that described what a perfect life Yeshua lived? Anonymous men - anonymous, so you can't say, "This one was brilliant, you can tell by the quality of his later books, but that one's an idiot and not worth believing." Anonymous.

Yes, of course I recall Thalidomide, and all of the deformations it caused, and the lives it ruined, but I suspect that had a lot more to do with the greed of pharmaceutical companies and the greed of professional lobbyists, who lobbied the Drug Inspection agencies to get it OK'd, and the greed of the agents within those agencies, who likely took bribes to pass it for public distribution. And yes, they could certainly have benefited from a course in ethics, growing up, but they had the Bible, with it's "Golden Rule," and yet we had Thalidomide on the market, so it didn't seem to have done a lot of good.

You mentioned earlier, on this thread or another, all of the people who were being imprisoned for crimes they committed, due to lack of empathy - can't argue with you there. But what percentage of those were educational drop-outs who possibly wouldn't have ever attended an ethics class, had one been taught?

I don't have THE solution, but I don't believe it's any more likely to be found in the Bible, than in a Superman comic book, and the Bible has had 3000 years to prove it's effectiveness. Superman may well not be the solution either, but I DO think it's time to start looking is SOME other direction.

Comment by Strega on September 23, 2013 at 7:21pm

its a formula that I believe provides some type of remedy for the basic human psyche.

Why do you believe this?  Can you clarify at least some elements of this formula?

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 7:31pm

"its a formula that I believe provides some type of remedy for the basic human psyche."

And I've spent pages demonstrating what that formula has accomplished over that same time period. The "remedy" it has most seemed to provide, has been to eliminate from the face of the earth, those who think otherwise. I suppose that IS a remedy, of sorts --

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 23, 2013 at 8:35pm

I think Strega means, what formula? E = MC square is a formula; to what, specifically, do you refer as, "the formula"?

Comment by Strega on September 23, 2013 at 8:52pm

Islam also has ritualisation, ceremony and bestowment.  What differentiates Christianity (other than the god entity's name)?


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