The existence of God is not subjective...

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 22, 2013 at 7:46pm

Because, Angela, the men who burned and hung witches, learned their empathy from the same source you look to teach children, in fact, they did so in the NAME of your supreme empathy candidate.

Don't want to go back 400 years? Ok let's pop over to the Westboro Baptist Church for a great example of empathy, again, they did what they do in the NAME of your supreme empathy candidate.

What am I saying? I'm saying you don't need a supernatural water-walker to teach empathy, while lying at the same time.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 22, 2013 at 8:44pm

"we were talking about the men" - no, we were talking about using Yeshua as an example of empathy. How about this Christian? Was he in the Dark Ages? How many people did he kill, empathetically, of course?

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."
-- Adolf Hitler --
April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.

"no civilized Christian..." is that the same as "No Real Scotsman?"

Comment by RobertPiano on September 22, 2013 at 8:49pm

Empathy for the sick one? I think so (and wow, how cute !)

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 22, 2013 at 8:52pm

GREAT picture, Robert, but I can't help wondering if they got their empathy from studying Jesus --

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 22, 2013 at 8:56pm

RE: "I was talking about Jesus - the New Testiment - HELLO" - and no one knows what Yeshua thought or did, or even if he ever existed.

But since you presume to know what he did and what he thought, could you give us a few quotations from Yeshua that teaches empathy, other than the "Golden Rule," which is found in nearly every religion that ever existed?

Comment by Strega on September 22, 2013 at 9:00pm

No, they were brought up on Baby Rhesus.

Comment by RobertPiano on September 22, 2013 at 9:05pm

Thou shall not covet another monkey's bananas.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 22, 2013 at 9:13pm

To show you how much empathy he got from the Yeshua story, and both he and the witch-roasters had the same role model, your hero, Yehsua, who wilts fig trees and beats people with a whip.

Comment by RobertPiano on September 22, 2013 at 10:01pm

I think that many ancient philosophies as well as all religions have a form of the golden rule. Epicurus is my hero and taught "neither to harm nor be harmed".

Confucius (551–479 BC)

"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself."

 Pittacus (640–568 BC)

"Do not do to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." 

Seneca 4 BC – AD 65

"ab alio expectes alteri quod feceris" (expect from others what you did to them)

 

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 22, 2013 at 10:17pm

Exactly, Robert - religion was certainly not the only source, and it likely borrowed it from one of the truly great thinkers, the only actual difference being, that religion usually plays to a bigger audience.

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