The existence of God is not subjective...

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 10:42am

Suzanne, as always, you rock!

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 10:54am

@Angla - RE:

"

So - when Mike said ....

"ALL children, and especially girls with their fathers (and by extension other father figures), use seduction to get their way."

I don't know if that particular statement was, for him, hypothetical, but I can tell you from personal experience (though it will likely have you calling me a pedophile and "Rock Spider" as well), having raised four of them, that little girls will flirt their heads off to get what they want. For me, that's not hypothetical, it's fact.

I once had all four of them, wanting to go to a particular movie, get together and actually rehearse an act, in which all four fell to their knees simultaneously, clasped their hands in prayer, and in unison, plaintively begged, "Please!!?" My oldest was quite the playwright and director.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 11:24am

@Belle - now THAT's what I'm talking 'bout - not trying to "drag you in the middle of my beef (again)," just simply help, in ways that I apparently can't, and it would seem that you're doing a great job of it - I'll just bow out now --> me, going away now --> goi

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 12:09pm

Yo se, como siempre --

Comment by onyango makagutu on September 21, 2013 at 12:37pm

Suzzanne, access to internet has improved greatly since any internet enabled phone allows you to do that. However, not so many people, and this includes the educated have met an atheist live alone hearing about atheists. We have an active atheist groups that have organised 2 debates on the existence of god which I wasn't able to attend.

A man struggling to survive may not have time to philosophize and to consider such existential issues. The education system is such that it produces people who only care about how to get a job and that's it. Not many of them think and it's sad.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 12:54pm

"The education system is such that it produces people who only care about how to get a job and that's it. Not many of them think and it's sad."

Sad, maybe - but it's temporary, Mak, on a greater timescale that possibly you can presently see - check Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, health and safety lie at the bottom rung of the ladder, all else must be built upon those. The job produces the paycheck, which goes far to secure the health and safety, and only THEN is the individual's mind free to consider higher ideals.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 1:11pm

But wouldn't helping Angela have accomplished that? Or are you saying you were off somewhere else, doing that, and had to prioritize the need? I think I'm clear on what you mean, just not exactly clear on how you mean it.

Comment by archaeopteryx on September 21, 2013 at 1:47pm

"Where else would I be off at 2am? LoL." - Rolling drunks? You can pick up a fair piece of change, that way, I can tell you from personal experience!

Comment by onyango makagutu on September 21, 2013 at 2:02pm

You are right archy about the hierarchy of needs, what I don't understand is why people who are in almost as similar position as mine, for example my many classmates who have jobs, are to a great extent comfortable still hold on to woo that every time we have this discussion they all, to the individual, become very emotional on the subject. They feel like by pointing out the inconsistencies in their worldview I have attacked them personally.

And thank you and Suzzanne for the kind words

Comment by Strega on September 21, 2013 at 2:06pm

Onyango, you're still my role model for when I face adversity :)

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