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God's plan is just another way of saying "predetermination," the notion that all things that happen are preordained to happen throughout all of existence. By metaphor, it's like a movie burnt to a DVD, and the entire movie has already been burnt to the disc. While people believe they're doing things and making choices, free will, in this interpretation is actually an illusion. According to predestination, every thought you have, every plane that crashes into a building, the sway of every grass blade, the motion of the clouds, the fall of every rain drop, all the way down to every quantum effect - all predetermined throughout eternity.
I think this is the 'hard' version. I have had numerous conversations about time and causation questions. Even a few shows on NOVA have played this out to a place of intense discomfort.
Sadly it is unclear if we are 'bugs in temporal amber', or not, but I have not been able to go back to well defined time coordinants, to change a damn thing! Even little binary decision state flips continue to be impervious to my meddling.
The only insight into this questioned seemed to come from a funny question asked of me during a dinner with friends, 'What transcends time?' My first, bearly thought out response was 'Optimism'.
Since physical processes work mathematically forward and backward in time, by all indications, with no obvious contradictions, I suggested that it is unclear if 'time' denys sending a simple signal backward in time. During a moment of maybe excess optimism, I suggested that just a simple statement cast to the ether, might help our younger selves to press on, not all hope is lost.
I have felt something like this a few times, but I can not honesty be sure...
I want to post a little something that may help you solve this "bugs in temporal amber" issue. It sort of points to a compatibilism, and although the speaker comes from a Buddhistic background, what he has to say concerning "hard determinism" and "free will" is quite interesting.
Non Dual Mystery
Then, regarding causation, I came across this post at the "Tenth Dimension" website that is probably one of the most absurd accounts I've ever heard concerning the flow of time relative to N,N-DMT.
DMT as a key to a higher dimensional self
You could also check highdeas too
it frightens me that actually some people believe that... this event was caused by human stupidity that had been manufactured by the money disease combined with religious beliefs for a political motive.
After some rather interesting insights into an environmental understanding, it became clear that we are not seeing the 'whole' picture. We must, as some level, see ourselves as projections of patterns in space time. We are not the matter and energy so much, as needing it to exist at all. I don't know how far this goes, or how far down the rabbit hole we need to go before some really amazing things become common place.
I don't really think our cognition survives death, atleast as far as being unbound to matter as electrical impulses in a mass of brain cells, but I don't know if matter can contain or support a cognition analoge seperate from brain cells. If we live in a 'computational universe', does cognition/corporal existence become bound to the matter around us separate from cells? If so can an experiment be designed to find a signal or secondary ordering? Limitations should be obvious that this should be very hard to find, since quantum flucuations should distroy any possble signal rather quickly, and the 'uncertainty' principle could generate another level of ugliness for any possible experiment. I expect that most/all physics labs would deny any access to equipment.
How is that a real supposition?
dude this whole event had been created by human beings regardless on it being said an outside or an inside job. I say it is a collaboration of both. The outside job were the pawns, and the inside job are the kings, queens knights and bishops the nobility = people who have monetary wealth, if you had to compare it to a chess game. Also the buildings were detonated as well, because surely a single plane cant eradicate an entire modern building.
I don't know if you ever looked into "sacred geometry," James Cox, but it is precisely what you've said here about seeing ourselves as "projections of patterns in space-time." I like the way you put that. It's a very similar concept to that explored in Michael Talbot's book, perhaps you're familiar with it, "The Holographic Universe." Basically, the idea is that the 11-dimensional hyperspace of M-Theory is projected as a kind of "space that contains all possibilities," and this is the holographic universe, of course, our universe is only a transectioning of this holographic universe. Just like Michio Kaku often says of string theory, "God is cosmic music resonating through hyperspace." So, if you have all notes played at once, you have all possibilities in this holographic universe, but our universe are only selected notes or "patterns" from the "whole" picture, as you mentioned.
I think Television is a good example, too, just as your TV is capable of projecting so many patterns by turning off signals here and leaving them on there, it then portrays the current image, but what happens when all possible signals turn on? You get a "white light." I'm not saying that perhaps this is what people are talking about in the near-death-experience, but it's an interesting way of looking at it. This is what I think happens when someone takes a "heroic dose" of psychedelics, it's like turning on all the neural pathways of the brain, and what you are left with is the challenge of trying to describe an experience that, in some sense, contains the entire gamut of experience happening at once.
I don't remember who said this, but I know I've read it somewhere, they said, "Life is what you get when a hyperdimensional object protrudes into three-dimensional space," but that's probably a clumsy way to put it. I've always thought that Buddhism was some kind of reaction to this concept. That they know that one does not possess "creativity" or there's nothing that is truly "innovative" or "original." In creativity, we're simply selecting out notes or patterns from this field of potentiality that, perhaps, has always been there. After all, if it weren't a potential possibility, then it of course would be an impossibility. It also relates to the notion of "ego death" in eastern philosophy. It's only the ego that believes it's striving toward some kind of effort or goal or gaining the upper hand in some kind of rivalry. I suppose another way of saying that without sounding as though we don't have "creativity" is that we are the source of our own innovation, somehow.
Well, anyway, I really like how you phrased that, and I had to comment. Is that a phrase you developed through your own examination or "creativity" or is it maybe something you've read? You also mentioned the transference of consciousness, I take it maybe you read that post on the 10thdimensional website? If so, I just want to make it clear that I did not post that. I thought it an interesting post, and I'm not entirely sure I agree with some of the ideas there, but it surely was one of the craziest things I've ever read.
I have looked into sacred geometry, it merrly is the motion and arrangement of energy between particles to planets to galaxies to universes and so on, now what most people on this planet is that substance itself does not end up as being energy only, that even the smallest known bosons contain smaller particles which them themselves are made up of smaller particles and so on through the infinitely small, which follows the FRACTAL nature of the universe, multiverses and so on. They fail to see that energy cannot exist without substance (because its vibration and motion), and stuff cannot exist without energy. Energy and substance are dependent on each other and the one cannot exist without the other. So when people claim the universe is a hologram where photons make up everything based on the frequency of vibration , they fail to see that the photons themselves are made up of smaller things, and in fact replicate the appearance of what is known as the universe in a smaller scale. What you have wrongfully labled and called "God" are mere frequency vibrations of substance or stuff , be it sound in air particles to what ever level or scale the particles exist. they all reflect this effect, and this comes in handy when utilizing electromagnetic energy to vibrate objects in such a a way to give them the illusion of loosing mass, to make it easily interface with sound, eg deploying a tractor beam by blowing a flute, and certain notes for raising the objects and certain notes. Much of misinterpretations is dependent on how one perceives reality. Honestly ,much of the understanding of dimensions exists on this planet, where when using the fractal universe model... there are infinite dimensions... mind boggling to most people, and they would never understand what I mean, unless they picture the universe and so on as such...
. So when people talk about multidimensional beings instead of extraterrestrial ... i simply get nauseated , no offense.
"God is music resonating through hyperspace" is not my sentence, it was Michio Kaku's. And "sacred geometry" isn't simply the "motion and arrangement of energy between particles." The implication is that the geometry represents all possible patterns or "motions," if you'd like. And, yes, they could be repeated among different scales. That's why a brain cell possesses similar structure to clusters of galaxies, etc. You mention infinite dimensions, so I'm not so sure why you become nauseated when you hear the term "multidimensional beings." It may be that the extraterrestrial has evolved beyond the vicissitudes of three-dimensional space and time.
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