Richard Dawkins

What he says is absolute truth. If you deny provable fact, you are ignorant.

Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 3:27pm

Comment by Simon Paynton 3 minutes ago

Intermediate forms - evolution is thought to happen in jumps and starts.  Natural selection happens because of the environment, and the environment does not change smoothly - it changes in jumps and starts.  Hence the comparatively sudden appearance of new species.  And there are TONS of intermediate forms in the fossil record.

The development of new traits doesn't affect DNA and traits are passed only through DNA.

And here's what an evolutions paleontologist says about fossil record:

The point emerges that if we examine the fossil record in detail, whether at the level of orders or of species, we find-over and over again-not gradual evolution, but the sudden explosion of one group at the expense of another.

Derek A. Ager, "The Nature of the Fossil Record"

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 3:28pm
Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 3:30pm
Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 3:30pm
Comment by Simon Paynton 5 minutes ago

In other words - give it up, and stick to what you're good at, and we're bad at.  Evolution is here to stay, your God made it - you need to accommodate this, or get left behind. 

I have no gods, but obviously yours is Darwin.

Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 3:33pm
Comment by Milos Cakovan 2 minutes ago

Here's somthing from the first link:

The lack of a detailed current explanation for a structure, organ, or process does not mean that science will never come up with one.

Well for this one it all worth it :) Thanks!

Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 3:37pm

And Milos, you mentioned Occam's razor in your previous posts.

According to this principle, the Universe doesn't need a beginning.

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 3:42pm

According to this principle, the Universe doesn't need a beginning.

Not true. It needs just the least complicated beginning. And an endless slew of creators is definitely not it.

The point emerges that if we examine the fossil record in detail, whether at the level of orders or of species, we find-over and over again-not gradual evolution, but the sudden explosion of one group at the expense of another.

Another common creationist argument. No matter how great the fossil records become, anti-evolutionists will always look at the gaps and say "AHA! See! What about this gap here!" When that gap is filled they will point at the two other "gaps" it opens.

Have you looked at the domestication of the Silver Fox in Russia? Through generations they took on traits more common to the household dog than the fox they came from. Gradual evolution, but fast enough for humans to observe and document it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

How about the common cold virus?

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 3:44pm

The lack of a detailed current explanation for a structure, organ, or process does not mean that science will never come up with one.

Well for this one it all worth it :) Thanks!

Yes, quote mining is fun!

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 26, 2013 at 3:48pm

"The development of new traits doesn't affect DNA and traits are passed only through DNA."

It's the other way round.  DNA causes traits. 

"The point emerges that if we examine the fossil record in detail, whether at the level of orders or of species, we find-over and over again-not gradual evolution, but the sudden explosion of one group at the expense of another."

I know!  That's what I just said.  Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? 

"I have no gods, but obviously yours is Darwin." - obviously?  I don't think I have any gods, thank you...

And hey, Occam's razor is some kind of fallacy.  Forget relying on that. 

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 26, 2013 at 3:50pm

Jivko - if you're anti-evolution, and pro-intelligent design, but have no gods - what's your angle? 

I think you need to calm down a bit, and get more rigorous, and answer our points properly.  It's OK to change your mind sometimes.  I do it all the time. 

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