Richard Dawkins

What he says is absolute truth. If you deny provable fact, you are ignorant.

Comment by Doug Reardon on September 27, 2012 at 4:45pm

Or: ignorant, stupid, AND insane.

Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 4:29am

Okay, there's a big problem here. Why does everyone love so much the false god-evolution dilemma? There's no such dilemma.

God makes no sense, I completely agree with this. But what about evolution? It has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven that new traits in individuals do not change the DNA and traits are passed down only by DNA. Remember the African tribe whose women put rings on their neck to elongate them? Well, eventually they have long necks but their DNA is the same and the next generations are born with normal necks. If someone comes up with the argument that the observation is within a short time period, then I'll say that scientists have done experiments with fruit flies who produce generations in 11 days.

Also the missing fossil record - if the theory was true, then there would be millions of intermediate forms with minute differences. But there are none, species appear suddenly and fully formed.

Another one - the "irreducible complexity". I'm not going to explain it, but if you call yourselves non-prejudiced non-dogmatic critical thinkers, you should definitely look that one up.

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 9:41am

Also the missing fossil record - if the theory was true, then there would be millions of intermediate forms with minute differences. But there are none, species appear suddenly and fully formed.

Seriously?

http://www.teachthemscience.org/evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/Evidence-for-Evolution.topic...

Evolution Explained Simply

THIS link will explain what you are doing here Jivko.

Hope those help.

Comment by Strega on February 26, 2013 at 11:17am

Great links, Milos, but I'll get you for that last one!

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 11:33am

Hahaha, sorry Strega, couldn't help myself. :P

Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 11:47am

Okay, Milos, explain to me the irreducible complexity then.

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 12:01pm

Irreducible complexity (IC) is an argument by proponents of intelligent design that certain biological systems are too complex to have evolved from simpler, or "less complete" predecessors, through natural selection acting upon a series of advantageous naturally occurring, chance mutations.[1] The argument is central to intelligent design, and is rejected by the scientific community at large,[2] which overwhelmingly regards intelligent design as pseudoscience.[3] Irreducible complexity is one of two main arguments used by intelligent design proponents, the other being specified complexity.[4]

Which means that they must have been created by an even more complex creature, which would mean that that even more complex creature must have been created by an even more complex creature, which would mean that that even more complex creature must have been created by an even more complex creature, which would mean that that even more complex creature must have been created by an even more complex creature, which would mean that that even more complex creature must have been created by an even more complex creature, which would mean that that even more complex creature must have been created by an even more complex creature, which would mean that that even more complex creature must have been created by an even more complex creature, and so on. Who created the creator.

That argument is absolutely ludicrous and serves only to prove the impossibility of an original creator.

One swipe of Occam's potent razor removes that nonsense from the argument.

Evolution is based on observable, testable evidence. Your Intelligent Design argument is just speculation and wishful thinking.

The idea of irreducible complexity shows that Intelligent Design is anything but intelligent.

Since your religious info states "other", I am curious, what creation story do you believe in then?

Comment by Codie L Miller on February 26, 2013 at 1:47pm

I love how Jivko person says "explain to me" when he makes a nonsense claim like "evolution has been disproved: without any sources of credibility to go along with it. Typical.

Comment by Jivko Jeliazkov on February 26, 2013 at 2:03pm

I don't remember ever mentioning intelligent desing. I also don't see how the idea of irreducible complexity is related to intelligent desing. Irreducible complexity simply shows that Darwin's evolution theory cannot be true. That's it. If you can't understand this, I can't help you.

Comment by Emperor Milos on February 26, 2013 at 2:22pm

You didn't mention Intelligent Design, but your argument is one of the cornerstones of Intelligent design.
You also failed to provide any scientific proof as to how irreducible complexity disproves evolution, or any evidence that proves irreducible complexity.
You clearly didn't read my entire reply. If you did, you would have read the explanation of irreducible complexity.

Irreducible complexity (IC) is an argument by proponents of intelligent design that certain biological systems are too complex to have evolved from simpler, or "less complete" predecessors, through natural selection acting upon a series of advantageous naturally occurring, chance mutations.[1]

If you would have kept reading past the first quarter of the first sentence you would have also read that irreducible complexity would claim that a complex being MUST have been created by something even more complex. Therefore, that more complex being must have also been created by an even more complex being, and so on, spiraling into infinity and proving irreducible complexity to be nothing more than unintelligent brain diarrhea with absolutely no scientific evidence for support.
As I've said already, if you want to have a discussion, please bring your evidence. If you can't understand this, no one can help you.

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