Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 6:14pm

Angela, I told in another post already why the woman in the picture I uploaded is guilty. Yeah I have a lot of shit to say about that man as well, but I don't need to, because we already know he's a fucking asshole. I guarantee you that if I wrote something just as angry to a picture of some Muslim man, no one would raise an eye brow or bitch at me for not being politically correct. But as soon as it's some Muslim woman suddenly it's too far. She's just as bad for defending that bullshit rag on her head and lending credence to the bearded buffoon in your picture.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 6:39pm

What little boy are you even talking about? Listen I've tried to be nice and walk you through each mental process, but I'm getting too much sand in my buttcrack from that dessert you call your brain. It's getting frustrating. And no I will not speak to men alone, and leave out women. You're not helping when you're just one of those "IT'S ALL MEN! ONLY THEY HAVE TO CHANGE!" people. No. You might not be aware of this, but women do their gender damage as well. You can't expect only men to change, only men to be the center point, only men to argue, only men to do everything, and then bitch about everything being ruled by men. Take matters in your own hands for once. We all already are aware of ignorant men being sexist and detrimental to the female gender's rights. But in this thread you and some people are clearly demonstrating how little you're aware of how much these kind of women are detrimental to the female gender as well. No, we will not leave the women alone. It's people like you that stall progress. It's not only the men's fault. If some people like you could focus your energy on things that matter instead of "JUST MEN" for the sheer principle of it we would all have an easier time.

If this was the same fucking picture, but instead of the woman, some bearded muslim asshole was in her place holding the exact same sign, and I had written the exact same caption, I'm willing to bet none of you would've said anything bad about it. You'd all agree with me he's an oppressing asshole. But when the person has a pussy things suddenly change? Then it's not our job to point out the obscene bullshit? People like you are being sexist without even realizing it. I'm done. Belle was wise when she was honest enough to admit she didn't know enough about the topic and chose to omit commentary, you should learn a thing or two from her.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 6:44pm

Oh just forget it...

Comment by Adam on April 6, 2013 at 6:54pm

men write that shit ... hold the men accountable ...

Yes men do that, but if the woman follows it on her own willingly, then she is just as responsible. Being equally responsible means she is equally subjected to questioning and critical analysis of out dated and illogical ideology.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 7:15pm

@Belle

Sadly, as much as it is Stockholm syndrome, it's still her fault too. It wouldn't be fair to stockpile all the fault on the previous generations, because then we'd end up with nothing. There are many people who grew up under either same or even worse conditions than this woman has. I'm sure if you look around the Ex-Muslims group here on TA, you'll find many people who've broken their chains. The fact that she can even post pictures of herself online is evidence that she doesn't have it all that bad. Yes it is Stockholm syndrone, but that does not abolish fault. That doesn't mean it won't anger me. She will be the oppressor once she has her own children.

That being said, now here's the weird part. I never wrote that caption to make a decent point. Remember the very first thing I said in this thread? It was "How and why is this a hot topic?" I discovered this picture while I was surfing the net idly, and it made me mad. The caption wasn't meant to be a profound refutation or argument against her stance. It was a reflection of the anger I felt that moment for people like her, who only aid in the destruction of true equality and freedom.

I thank you Belle, for choosing the tone you did to reply to me. I know I have a harsh tone, but I haven't called you, or even Angela who just made me really pissed, a cunt. Imagine the blood rage that idiot in the picture induced in me. In the comments section here I tried explaining my point somewhat better, even though I never meant for this picture to even become a big deal. Sadly it did, but for the wrong reasons.

And I do not care what people think about me. If I did, I either wouldn't have uploaded the picture, pretended the caption wasn't mine or I would've deleted it once people started arguing with me. I did neither. I don't write the things I write to be cool or edgy. I don't write long posts because I need a kick. It's as I said, I'm surprised people took the caption for more than it was, an angry rant. And I'm not going to pretend like it was a fluke or a mistake. I stand by it, nobody has to agree. To me, the woman in this picture is a fucking asshole. She has a right to her opinion, and I have a right to lambast her bullshit opinion. And more people should do so, in whatever language they choose to use.

Comment by Jimmy Russell on April 6, 2013 at 7:21pm

amen

Comment by Adam on April 6, 2013 at 7:27pm

@Angela

Sorry I just need to clarify this ... So if the woman willingly allows her husband to have sex with her whenever he wants - she is just as responsible - is that what you mean?

Yes absolutely. If the woman is in the kitchen making bread (no pun intended) and the husband yells " SEX NOW" and she comes running in, gets naked and throws herself in the bed, even if she is not in the mood, but only for the sake of following Allah's order, yea she is just as responsible. 

But if she truly wanted to have sex then its a different story.  But if she didn't but she was only doing it because that is what her religious doctrine says so, and she believes that is the right thing to do then she is just as responsible. As I said in the previous statement, she is equally subjected to questioning and critical analysis of out dated and illogical ideology.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on April 6, 2013 at 7:41pm
Comment by Adam on April 6, 2013 at 8:19pm

If she is 13 and illiterate and she is submitting to her husband for sex, there is a lot more things to worry about there than if she is also responsible or not

Comment by archaeopteryx on April 6, 2013 at 8:35pm

Angela, we are ALL subjected to Stockholm Syndrome - from the time we're born until we reach an age we can leave home, we are subjected to the identical circumstances that bring about the syndrome - enforced captivity (can't leave home) and indoctrination (our parents trying to instill their value systems within us).

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