Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 5:36am

How and why is this a hot topic? Adam had the most accurate post, when he said that she was indoctrinated into thinking that a veil means beauty, honor, modesty etc. My anger with her is primarily that people who fight against veils are not fighting to make prostitutes out of these women, but that's what you'd think when you listen to these veilheads. You're all protecting her, yet you morons forget that in her eyes, all of you are whores destined to hell. This is the most narcissistic shit of them all, and the source of my anger. She submitted to Islam, like the good dog she was raised to be, and she wears a veil, so she's free and modest. Yeah. Slavery is freedom, ignorance is strength, imprisonment is modesty. Is her message, and those of you who don't submit to this are sluts. How are you not insulted by this? There are people who fight for rights for women in Islam, and what these types do is spit right in their eyes.

This is Stockholm Syndrome. This is what keeps women in Islamic countries from progressing an inch. Everybody else wants more rights for them, but they themselves, having been trained like dogs by their fathers and husbands, will protect their oppressors and claim them to be good.

This "I do not need saving" bullshit is just horrid denial. It's the same reaction a drug addict would display when you tell him it's time for a detox.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 5:53am

@Simon Payton

She's entitled to her point of view.  Is that OK?

So? As am I. Is that OK?

@Belle

I don't even know how to begin answering your post, reading it felt like being bukkaked with stupid. Who said they want to stick "their dirty cocks inside her?" If you're talking about Unseen's comment, then why pluralize? And why are you turning this into a game of sexism and "manliness?" Why, and how, is one thing more manly than something else? Or was that just an heavy-handed attempt to strike a nerve?

But no, now I remember. We had an exchange before, where you made clear that you are AGAINST equal treatment for women. You want women to be treated like women, and men to behave like men. You want traditional gender roles. Men to pay the bills and condescend to the women. Ok, so maybe you're pro-veil. Fair enough, got it. But don't project your sexism onto others. I didn't demean her because she's a woman, but because she's a giant dumbass, much the same I did to you right now.

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on April 6, 2013 at 6:45am
@kOrson - Exactly right - been indoctrinated, brainwashed - by men - my thing is, that it makes ALL men potential rapists, keep other men at bay, and put the women into a state of constant fear.

These women are not allowed to go out on their own, cannot be in the company of a man except a family member, they are fighting for the right to drive a car, AND, when in a fundamentalist country, their clitorus is CUT OFF.

Read and learn. Talk to the ex muslim women on this very site.

The girl who got shot in the head for wanting an education, the list is endless. Oh, yes, I feel sorry for these women, but I don't want this stinking religion in my country. Forced marriages for underage girls, and if they can't have the clitorus cut off in a western country, they take them back home to get it done. Criminal.

France has banned the full face cover. Bravo.

Can anybody remember where the photo of the woman with the koran between her legs is. That should be shown again on this thread.

That is what it is all about, controlling women's sexuality, and keeping them as sex slaves.
Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on April 6, 2013 at 6:45am
@kOrson - Exactly right - been indoctrinated, brainwashed - by men - my thing is, that it makes ALL men potential rapists, keep other men at bay, and put the women into a state of constant fear.

These women are not allowed to go out on their own, cannot be in the company of a man except a family member, they are fighting for the right to drive a car, AND, when in a fundamentalist country, their clitorus is CUT OFF.

Read and learn. Talk to the ex muslim women on this very site.

The girl who got shot in the head for wanting an education, the list is endless. Oh, yes, I feel sorry for these women, but I don't want this stinking religion in my country. Forced marriages for underage girls, and if they can't have the clitorus cut off in a western country, they take them back home to get it done. Criminal.

France has banned the full face cover. Bravo.

Can anybody remember where the photo of the woman with the koran between her legs is. That should be shown again on this thread.

That is what it is all about, controlling women's sexuality, and keeping them as sex slaves.
Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 6:49am

Does Adam know her?

Do you?

How could that offend me? - she doesnt know who the heck I am. It would be different if my name was on that message.

That's the point. She doesn't know how women without veils live, yet the assumption is you're all whores who run naked from bed to bed, your children are bastards etc.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 6:54am

@Belle

Try harder. You're a sexist, and you have no arguments left. Yep, I'm a sociopath without a conscience because I want women to be treated as equals. I'm sure it made sense in your head.

You're angry because I treat you like I would treat anybody else, and I'm not pulling any punches just because you have a vagina. Had the person in the image been a man, you wouldn't be bitching right now, and you cannot lie and say that's false. You don't deserve special privileges, you're not special or lady-like, grow up and deal with it.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 6:56am

@Suzanne

Yes, Nessrrinn uploaded that one a while ago. Where is she anyway?

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 7:29am

Yeah no - she just doesnt inspire me to get angry. She looks like an modern ethnic girl who supports her culture more than her religion and she likes to get a bit political. She doesnt look enslaved to me.

That's the problem of moderates. No matter how modern and moderate a person claims to be, she lends credence to that smaller, extremist chunk of people in her religion. Moderate and "liberal" Muslims don't support terrorism, yet they support the veil. Well that nullifies everything good they stand for. Because when they stand for something that is ultimately designed to enslave people, they lend credence to the extremists. Because of that then they can make it seem as if they have a valid cause, rather than being fucking crazy. One thing leads to another, like a series of dominoes. When a person supports the veil, they essentially say "well, I'm not an extremist, but I think THIS PART of the Quran is true and should be followed," and that basically says the REST could be credible as well. This is where shit gets dangerous. Because we know that people won't stop there.

So when you support the veil, however small and indirectly, you support the burka. You support men beating their wives. You support girls getting acid thrown in their faces for having the audacity to learn. I hope I was able to explain Angela.

As for the image, as far as I understand it, it's really just showing the Quran as a kind of lock on women. A tool to control and enslave the nature of a human.

Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on April 6, 2013 at 7:32am
@Angela @Bella - Find out a tad more about how women are treated in the Islamic faith - and please note - not wearing hijab, and find out what happens if one doesn't want to wear hijab. Then tell me it is their choice.

Lots of other interesting videos on this site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw

There are also lots of books on the subject - Women talking about how their clitoris was cut off.
Comment by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on April 6, 2013 at 7:44am
@Angela - is that how little you of Islam, to have to ask what the koran is doing between her legs????

You may have heard of the mufti or imman, or whatever they are called, came onto the steps of the mosque, in downtown Sydney, and said in front of a TV camera, that a woman who bares her arms, or wears shorts, are meat, that may be taken by a cat.

Do you understand what this meant???

If a woman bares her arms or wear shorts, she is asking to be raped.

Yaayyy for Islam.

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