Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on April 6, 2013 at 11:44am

I wonder if it would be of any use if we were to ask the female Muslim clergy for their opinion on such matters?

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 11:44am

Strega, some claim it does some claim it doesn't. That's the magic of interpretation.

Comment by Strega on April 6, 2013 at 11:53am

@Korsan  I'm taking it that its not spelled out in the Qu'ran then.  Perhaps modesty is mentioned, or something that could be interpreted as an excuse to cover bareness, but no direct instruction.

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 12:02pm

Strega, the wonders of ambiguity! Oh were would the clergy be without it. They'd probably be looking for real jobs.

Anyway, as far as I can recall, the Quran only tells women to cover themselves from the shoulders down or something, while men have to cover themselves from the knees up to the navel. This is still an instruction, and still intrusive. It doesn't matter what that roll of hardcover toilet paper says, because in the end it's just a tool for the Imams to rule as they wish. I'm pretty sure the Quran doesn't say women can't drive cars, but then again, I might just be interpreting it wrong.

Comment by Unseen on April 6, 2013 at 12:21pm

The quick answer is no: the Quran has no requirement that women cover their faces with a veil, or cover their bodies with the full-body burqua or chador, as in Iran and Afghanistan. But the Quran does address the matter of veiling in such a way that it has been interpreted historically, if not necessarily correctly, by Muslim clerics as applying to women.

The veiling of women was not an Islamic innovation but a Persian and Byzantine-Christian custom that Islam adopted. For most of Islam’s history, the veil in its various forms was seen as a sign of distinction and protection for upper-class women. Since the 19th century, the veil has come to represent a more assertive, self-consciously Islamic expression, sometimes in reaction to Western currents--colonialism, modernism, feminism. (more from the same source)

Comment by Strega on April 6, 2013 at 1:12pm

Most young women will wear whatever they believe will be most effective to attract a potential mate. If in the Islamic culture that happens to be a veil, tat is what they will wear. Ony those who feel strongly motivated to rebel against the acceptable accessory will try to make a change. If the girl in the picture was placed in an environment where there were no potential mates, no doubt she would not simply opt to wear a veil (or burka) for comfort. It is all about the mating ritual.

In the 'western' culture, women wear high heeled shoes. These again are a mating technique. In fact, wearing high heels can damage the feet and cause long term pain and deformity. So technically, high heels are worse as there is a really negative health implication. It is true that women these days have the choice not to wear them, but if you look back a few short years, women who refused to conform were often labelled adversely (lesbian, frump, etc).

Coming back to the veil issue, until the potential mates for these women elect to prefer an absence of the covering, then the women will choose to wear what they believe their men wish to see. Sure, I find it tragic that this is how it is, but I don't think we will eliminate the veil until we eliminate the preference for it amongst the potential mates.

Comment by archaeopteryx on April 6, 2013 at 1:42pm

@Unseen, RE: "I'd do her." - you'd do an exhaust pipe with the car running --

Whoops - Simon Paynton of the Propriety Police is in the house!

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on April 6, 2013 at 1:46pm

Comment by kOrsan on April 6, 2013 at 1:49pm

Thanks Reg, a fine example of nude whores being liberated by Islam.

Comment by Unseen on April 6, 2013 at 2:18pm

How can anyone tell if it's a woman under those outfits? Could be a cross-dresser ir some kind of tranny.

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