it is not racism or "islamophobic" to point out cruelty and injustice...

the world seems to be afraid of "offending" the "immigrant" and while words like islamophobic are becoming more and more common.. we allow cruelity and injustice to go on in the name of "multiculturalism"

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Comment by Strega on November 6, 2012 at 8:48pm

It's always vexed me that "phobic" comes from "foveros" which is Greek for fear and "phile" comes from "file", Greek for friend.  Fear isn't the opposite of friend.  Foe and Friend are opposites.  Fear and Courage (or Bravery) are opposites.

Arch, your "arachnophobia" is literally a "spider-fear" and that genuinely describes the condition.  Homophobia translates as Man-fear.  (or human-fear)..  And that, I think is the truth of it.  Those straight guys scared that some gay guy will find them irresistable and... they literally clench in fear and horror.  Same guy will stay up late watching lesbian porn... no threat.

(but I digress).....

Comment by Kir Komrik on November 6, 2012 at 8:55pm

@Unseen, I kind of agree with you about the vast differences in culture. My own controversial view is that we need to be open-minded and flex some, but to not give up any ground when it comes to equal rights for everyone, everywhere. Hard to do, but compromising on the marriage thing might be one thing we could do. Islamic countries need to invoke some better standards about age and generational gaps while the West (mostly the U.S.) could afford to lighten up a little about it.

- kk

Comment by Kir Komrik on November 6, 2012 at 8:59pm

@Strega - that's disgusting, but I know you're right, it happens - kk

Comment by Kir Komrik on November 6, 2012 at 9:10pm

Hey Pope Paul,

... multiculturalism is not to ignore what's happening or turn your back on it (as the picture implies).  The purpose of multiculturalism is to understand why people do what they do,

I agree. At the end of the day, if people are to live together they have to compromise. As much as people don't want to hear that, it is key to realistic progress. And in order to understand how to compromise in a way that doesn't surrender your core values requires that you understand why others do what they do. I may be an idealist, but I honestly believe that if westerners and Muslims around the world had a better understanding of each other they could come up with ways to work these differences out. Islam would change, for sure, but so would "we".

... worry about sharia law somehow taking over America is just xenophobic paranoia. Ground Zero Mosque in point. A peaceful, American Muslim wanted to provide a place for peaceful Muslims (and any other religion, by the way) to worship.

I agree to a fault. I think we can be tolerant of some aspects of Sharia law and Muslim customs provided we place clear lines in the sand about individual rights. Definite age limits that protect children from abuse, limits on what kind of punishments can be applied, and basic guarantees regarding women's rights are all key to that.

But instead of America stepping forward and saying Yes, make peace here, the culture of fear steps in to cut off any peaceful alternatives for Muslims. We lost confidence, and are now ruled by fear. Bin Laden WON that battle!

Yep, and so few see that irony.

Did Amnesty International actually say that multiculturalism is a problem, or was the TA caption an addon by someone else

No, I don't think that's what they were saying. I think Ness just used that word in passing and it might have sounded more ideological than it really was. She was just saying that people are not sufficiently aware of what is going on to really enter the discussion we're talking about right now, which is how to balance multiculturalism against obvious and egregious human rights violations.

- kk

Comment by Unseen on November 6, 2012 at 9:36pm

@Kir Komrik

...compromising on the marriage thing might be one thing we could do.

Turn our head while someone who hasn't reached the age of consent is married off to an adult? I don't think so. That's a form of slavery: treating a child as merely a chattel.

Comment by Strega on November 6, 2012 at 9:41pm

Blimey, Unseen, you don't seem to have a problem with total genital mutilation, but a low age of consent outrages you?

Comment by Unseen on November 6, 2012 at 9:45pm


Homophobia (fear of gays, as the word is used currently), but the more correct word is a mouthful: homosexualmisia (misia=hatred of). I think some people just hate gays rather than fear them. 

Comment by Kir Komrik on November 7, 2012 at 5:56am

@Unseen - I sympathize with your concern, but that is the meaning of compromise. It doesn't mean marrying off children as you put it. I'm only saying that if one can demonstrate several things, such as the fact that the person, young man or young woman, is not abused, exploited, etc. and is not a child, but a young adult, then we could afford to lower the age of consent for identifiable groups for whom this is valued (for whatever reason). But I would never support lowering an age of consent to a prepubescent age, which is the common practice in rural areas of some Islamic countries (northwest Iran Azeri's for example - which is where my family is from).

- kk

Comment by Kir Komrik on November 7, 2012 at 6:15am

@Strega - exactly, not all young ladies that marry older men are abused. Every situation is different, but genital mutliation is always abuse (assault and battery and few other things). - kk


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